this…
i can honestly say i havent had much interest in this game in the last few months. it was aight at first but the hype dropped pretty quick. i literally have only touched the game like 3 or 4 times in the last few months or so.
not all the people that matter were at c3…
ill try and come out for a jag return.
The way I see SF4 is like this. This game has the same feel as when SF3:NG when it first came out. We all got the hype bug at first but then it went away…until 2I came out followed by 3S. So the way I see it they will release a new version of SF4 that will be that the previous one. It’s Capcom’s M.O… :lol:
C3…or SOME place in NoVA and MD, needs to do RanBats. I think with the scene getting exposure like it is, now is the time to do something to get the new people more hyped to get better. Something needs to be done to keep the Vet’s in the game so-to-speak. I think If we had Ranbats, more people would be willing to fight for the Rank rather than just saying I won C3 monthly tourny. SoVA is doing them, why not NoVA/MD?! We got some people here who would be willing to get the word out and get shit ‘hyped’. People willing to get the scene running in the right direction with not just tourny’s, but events period.
Now granted, when I say this, I mean NOT just for SF4 but for as many games as we can do…
I totally agree with Hav, cause let’s face it, this game is NOT the ‘Next Coming of the Lord’ that some people are making it out to be. It’s good for getting shit rolling again as far as the scene as a whole, but NOW players need to drive support for ALL games in the scene. MvC2 is hitting LIVE and PSN…You got new people trying to get into 3s…KoF12 and BB are dropping soon.
People have to not get stuck in one game (One that is NOT that great atleast…) and get other games hyped as much as all the others.
I know I am new here, but I am old and I have seen this shit in other things in my life. People just have to get together and DO SHIT to get the whole ball rolling. If we want to stay excited about this shit, we have to DO the work to get everyone else excited…
…Just my 2cents…
no arcades = sf is dead
SF4 is ass. Arcades could help but we haven’t had those in years. The venue of C3 is ass also due to the fact that really no one wants to go to a 6pm torney and shit changing like every month. The game does not really help either but most would just chalk it up to come chill with friends really. I mean lets be serious here we all know who would prob win at these torneys but, we all go to chill with friends and other players alike in the atmosphere the we enjoy from time to time whether it be casuals talking about bs or just like eating and chilling with friends. SF4 is a ok game but that’s it nothing really to get hype about. With the torneys being at 6 can people really run other games? Shit half the time it says ps3 torney but you better come with “dat xbox stick” cause thats all thats there.
Lots of players dont really care for sf4 no matter how good you are at it or not. Before we got sf4 we were hype about all other shit and had 2 majors there if im not mistaken. If we like the games that are being played the community shows up its as simple as that. V has to eat so some of the shit he does is because he has to do pretty much AND WE ALL KNOW V. At the same time I mean we are all sometimes flakes.
The game sucks and it is not going to bring the community out coupled in the fact the venue is on its last leg. We all have known this for some time. Can we help the community that we love sure of course but are we nah cause we are all lazy until like the last minute. C3 is on 14 minutes if we dont do something soon we won’t have a venue at all so we have to take what we can get for right now till something else better comes along. I think that Robin should take C3 with V so that we can get it back into shape. More of the community will come out cause Robin is a known figure in the scene, plus we would not have the stigma of the C3 being dead. But whatever.
what’s with all the hate on sf4? this is a capcom 2d fighter forum and sf4 is the biggest game right now. there is more competition in sf4 than any other game. yeah a lot of that competition is scrubby, but you also have OGs from tekken / GG / 3s / ST playing sf4 now.
a lot of times people go where the competition is. it’s somewhat unfortunate cause you have a lot of great games without much competition around here (US) like various SNK fighters (and sega 3d fighters).
if you don’t want to play sf4 - try to start up some local competition in BlazBlue, KOF98UM, SC4, VF, HDremix, etc. if you guys play just to chill with some friends that’s fine too. but at least bring some games you enjoy - even if it means random MAME roms of broken fighters.
anyone gonna be in fairfax/springfield gaming wednesday lunch time? i’m gonna be up to check george mason univ and it’d be cool to meet the nova counterparts. haha, you best know my stick’s in my car when i’m up there. holla.
and /concur on Ant being hella busy. where you at my brotha, i’ve been trying to get a hold of ya lately!!!
Well, last C3 SoVA was doing their tournament, then you got the Fredericksburg randoms going to that one tournament. It just takes away numbers that makes it look bad at the end. Then everyone else “who just didn’t wanna go.”
I don’t mind that a lot of people hate the game, but I wanna play. While it’s still new, I just wanna use that to my advantage at this particular evo, and want to get practice it. All this hate/bashing of the venue/game isn’t getting too much done, and if someone does something new…I’m sure everyone will gladly support it.
For me though, it’s just all about getting everyone at one place and leveling up. That’s how it should be. If someone doesn’t like the current situation, try and help out. If not, this is all we got, people.
I agree we need to have one spot to have tournaments. I agree having several places trying to have their own tournaments kind of kills what C3 is doing. But then again, I think C3 is a hadouken away from cease and desist with the tournaments. I wish there was a venue in either P.G. County, MoCo, Alexandria or Arlington to hold tournaments.
A lot of the SFIV hate comes from the fact that a lot of veteran players feel the game did too much of accommodating to newer players and the fact that some of the basic strategies and tactics of other SF games don’t work or are mitigated heavily in SFIV. The game just seems overly basic and lacking from people who have been playing other fighters all their lives. It’s definitely a good game in the sense that it is not Marvel vs. Capcom 1 it’s just the people who don’t like it are already waiting for a fix or are just going to move on to other games until it is. The majority of people who don’t like the game seem to be veteran SF players or those who never really played SF in the first place and only played it because all their friends were.
There’s issues that still need to be dealt with concerning the hitboxes and quite a few of the staple characters that people like to play in SF are really weak compared to previous games. Like Vega and Guile. I’m sure that alone has turned some people off from the game seeing there aren’t any other characters that play exactly like them.
Ehhh sir we are talking about it because if something does not change there will be nothing for our community md/va. Everyone will not be in one place i think that has been established. Futhermore when someone levels up it def not at c3 nor has it ever been. See your still kinda new to this Magman but how did u think all of us got to where we are in the sf world? We played each other a lot like almost every week people would drive to other places to do that. Thats how we used to level up then play wherever to gage where we were. It’s not like that anymore because there is no interest 2 most have gotten lazy 3 starting at 6pm does not help seriously.
I remember when we would get like 3s 40 to 50 people cvs2 20 to 25 st 20 to 25 people on a monthly basis with just our area alone coupled in the fact we would have randoms from different states come down. Im pretty sure u remember when u played Jwong how many people came in for that shit we had hype in this area. There is no hype any longer due to certain people and stuff that has happened in this community. I would rather get some players that i know in a area in the middle and play for hours instead of going to c3 barring paying cell phone bills or something to that nature.
For the record imo new people playing this game is due to the fact of it’s easy playing curve and its so easy to win in this game not because its good. Everytime someone looks at results it’s like “who the fuck is that winning” or damn that nigga was a scrub and so on im ending my rant here.
I’m not going to take over running C3 again. The limitations are too much. We have to make do with the worst dates and the worst times only to give david 10$ a head.
I’m not hating on C3 David. He’s been great for the community. He covered the two PS2’s that were stolen way back when. It’s just that the new location is further out on the fringe, away from mass transit and even the highway.
But his best contributions are behind him. Back in the day, no one wanted to cart around huge ass tube TV’s to tournaments.
Now that we use monitors, bringing a setup is mad easy. It’s just not worth it to give that much money outside the community for a poor location that doesn’t have good setups. (we still have to bring all the games,saves, and ps3’s)
Compare C3 to my recent Richmond tourney. Easy to get to, nice space, mad setups, and drivable for everyone in the MD/VA/NC areas.
SFIV has some problems, sure. Low block stun, Stand RH, and usability of ultra=tier.
But I think the slight “dumbing down” is a good thing. The skill barriers of Alpha 3, CvS2, or MvC2 are too great for a casual player to get good. SFIV is bringing in new blood. Look at the Richmond tourney. RyRy won, he used to just play tekken really. Joe S also competes down in SOVA, he was a smash player. Etc etc.
Shit man, CvS2 alone you had to read the instruction book for awhile just to figure out the grooves, then add in roll canceling? Shit.
A great game is “easy to learn, hard to master”. Sf2 had that. But it kept on thinking that: more complicated= good. That’s not always true.
If this game is so noob friendly, then why are all the old school heads still winning? Justin, Marn, Choi, Combo, Floe in Chi , Roski and Matt in NC, Arturo and Joe. I could go on and on.
The people that were good at CvS2 or 3S or ST are still good at 4. Scrubs aren’t coming up and putting a hurting on SoCal’s best.
The best are still winning, but the gap isn’t astronomical anymore, and that’s a good thing. Keeps people playing and active in the scene.
You wanna know why poker is so popular? Bad Beats. Keeps the fish playing.
I’ll take the bait. Especially after that vega/guile comment. cough Fuerte.
You mean the same reason why people hate on 3s.
The fact is almost all the people in this thread are not true OGs. You didn’t dominate in HF. You didn’t win ST tournies when ST hit the arcades. Unless you’re in your 30s right now and you traveled to the pre EVO majors - stop with this bullshit about “overly basic.”
Is SF4 easy on the execution side? Yes. But so is 3S compared to ST. Capcom is following a trend from the early SF2 days. The windows are larger and this can cause certain shit coming out when it’s not supposed to. Deal with it.
The last time I checked ST fundamentals can get you really damn far. Check out SoMuchDamage and Choi and even Valle and Watts. The last time I checked in Japan the best players in SF4 are the same players who dominated in ST (Daigo), CVS2 (Mago), 3S (I have no idea but they are out there). Randoms don’t dominate this game - something you would expect if it was so simple and scrub friendly.
If you don’t like SF4 - that’s fine. Heck I don’t like 3S. But stop with this bullshit about how you think you’re too good for SF4. Are you the person winning all the tournies for free? It seems like the people are complaining are angry with losing to “scrubs.” If the dude is a scrub why did you lose? Are you going to blame the game again? That’s really pathetic.
Just incase you haven’t already figured I’m one of those players that really loves SFIV and for me the issues are just issues that I know will be fixed later on. I play everyday in the middle of the week at the X3O in Rockville. Even then…a lot of those players seem hungry for newer games but that’s where I see the combination of games bringing people together again.
Everythine else…I’ll leave up to the other “veterans” (not OG’s duh) to answer.
Just a thought,
if ultra was changed to some sort of activate - like in Alpha3, CVS2, EX2 - that lead to difficult to execute crouch cancel inf / loops - would that make peope feel better about this game?
or if DP windows became random and reversals were made much more difficult?
or if FADC was a 1 frame link (more GG like)?
Lol. I played SFII at aladdin’s castle in Spotsy mall when I was 10.
I played Alpha1, ST, and Xmen COTA in Johnny’s arcade in Dale City when I was 12-14.
In High school, I played MvC1 and Alpha 2 at Planet Fun in Potomac Mills Mall.
I traveled up to Gametime fairly regularly to play Alpha 3 (I hated 2nd impact and 3S, thought parries ruined the game).
Not to mention I was at VCU arcade for the launches of MvC2 and CvS2 and played all the time.
Now, who’s not OG?
I actually agree with everything Renegade had to say about SFIV.
As for the venues, let’s just have a place to play.
i would be interested in this and can bring 2 joysticks, that work on both ps3 and xbox360, and i could bring a ps3 w/sf4 as well if necessary.
i too am getting sick of online matches and losing due to the latency and what not.
To clarify - I think there are fairly ill defined generations of 2D players. In general this is how I think it breaks down (Valle talked about this once in a podcast).
1st gen: Guys like Tomo. These guys are almost all retired. This is CE/HF.
2nd gen: Guys like Valle, Watts, Choi: ST and Alpha 1/2 (typically the OGs)
2.5 gen: Where a lot of veterans from SRK fall under. W impact, pre MVC2 versus,
3rd gen: 3S, CVS2, Marvel, etc.
4th: SF4 and on
Maybe it’s just me but there seems to be some hate between the generations. I think it’s mainly due to the fact that the older people don’t want to adapt to changes they feel make the series more random/easier to execute/change spacing/change mindgames/etc. Whereas the new guys don’t see it as “change.” They just see it as it is.
where does mk1 fall under?