Matador Video Thread

you can plink on pads!

wolfkrone manages to pull off hard combos and cancels his stuff like a madman just as well as latif, flash, lanysky, or any other good viper player ON PAD

Wolfkrone, Rico Suave (used to, even when he played on pad his execution was good), Vangief, Shizza (before he retired), KillaCam, and Dozens other that i’ve met at tournies all use pad and do very well…

Obviously… You could argue that vega’s combos are harder and so out of all the characters… vega is one of the few where playing on pad might inarguably be worse than a stick… but it’s not nearly as bad as you guys make it sound, imo.

in short… it’s got almost nothing to do with how you handle it… either stick or pad, scrubs will tell you otherwise, do what feels right.

Vega’s combos are hard? :rofl:

he’s one of the few characters who can’t chain his jabs.

you don’t wanna waste that meter… so you want that hit comfirm of 2 or 3 jabs…
1 or 2 1 frame links that are unplinkable.

lp rcf fadc RH, gives me trouble sometimes too.

Lol this is great that we?re having such a discussion here.

Ok so to clarify, I can play pad too, but it is I?d say it?s a 70% power of me if played on stick. Now since I am shittier on a pad?does that mean I will respect people that are better with pad than with stick? I will answer in detail below.

But first off, throughout this whole thing, I?ve stated that I am a casual player. I did in fact say Joz is considered very good on the casual level?.this is like my 3rd or 4th time repeating myself. With that being said, yeah I probably wouldn?t put up even half the fight Joz did (EDIT: actually, u never know?..nobody will know until I have the chance to fight on the pro level, but no I am a casual player)

Now does that mean I cant comment on pro players and their skill on the pro level? Ofcourse I can! Just like if the general public comments and critiques pro sports players. For example?fans of NBA/NHL/whatever sport can say ?oh this player sucks?he?s always benched?he shoots 33%…he?s shit. Kobe is a lot better? Also, if you are a pro player, have a lot of videos posted online and such, then you are bound to get critiqued. It is not defamation or slander of any kind on Jozhear?it is just stating the facts. Why I always bring this guy up is because I?ve seen him always get bodied.

now Miss Francys here would say ?oh yeah? I?d like to see u try! U cant even touch the rim, let alone be in the nba! Atleast he?s in the nba and ur not!!! If u play him he would dunk over you and u would lose 21-0!?

That is kind of like the situation here. Even though the worst pro player is better than casual players/the general public, it doesn?t mean that player is good. In fact, among his peers, he is SHIT!

Nowwww we can get back to the game-pad fightstick debate and my reasons.

Ok, so lets have an analogy here. Compare playing video games to eating, then compare the methods as well?.so using the fightstick/gamepad would be analogical to using a fork/spoon. Playing street fighter?..lets just say it is like eating steak.
Now, both methods can be used to eat steak?using a spoon+knife versus using a fork+knife.

For example, I myself can do that too?.and I am much better with using a fork+knife to eat steak because it is the better, more efficient method of input.

In addition, eating steak is meant to be eaten with a fork+knife (Street fighter is an arcade game, it is meant to be played with a stick + 6 buttons). Also, one can grip the meat better with a fork, and pierce the meat better (one can plink more efficiently using the fightstick). Oh and did I mention that the majority of people in the world use that method? (I would like to believe the majority of pro sf players play on a stick?.and correct me if im wrong, but 100% of all arcades are with sticks + 6 buttons right?)

On that note, anybody can use whatever method they like to eat steak (play sf). But u can imagine how stupid u look when being seen eating steak with spoon (playing sf with pad). Yes, you can still accomplish that and some ppl are good at it. Also, apparently you can plink on pad too?meaning yes, the spoon can grip onto the meat just as well as the fork?

SO back to why I despise pad players generally?especially when pro players use it?.it is because it isn?t the most efficient input device. Yes, inthul included. Inthul in an interview was asked of what he thought of mago?s fei long?and inthul says he was amazed at the accuracy of chicken wing–>hp of mago?s execution.

No shit Sherlock, it is because mago plinks on a stick. And yes, in case u didn?t know. MUCH more efficient than plinking on the pad?.
(Side note, maybe its possible to plink?but what about advanced stuff, like double tapping, advanced true double plinking, piano-ing?.u can do that on the pad? Just imagine how ridiculously dumb u will look true double plinking on pad LMFAO)

and yeah most of the time, playing with a pad is fine?its until u get to really advanced issues?like consistent 1-framers. In the case of vega, his combos aren?t that hard and not a lot of plinking/pianoing/true double plinking is required?so in that sense, it is ok.

For other chars?.fei long, u need to consistently plink. Sakura for God?s sake, how can anybody play sakura with pad, linking 3 or 4 one-frame llinks? Therefore, if you are pro and use a pad to play chars that would be better off with a stick, u?ve got a problem and hence they are despicable to me.

BOTTOM LINE

so using a pad or a stick is one?s preference. Just like using a spoon to eat steak is one?s preference as well. I do not respect pro pad players because if they used a stick, it would be much more efficient, just like how I definitely would laugh and call the person stupid if they used a spoon to eat steak.

Pads however are great for other games. Just like the spoon can be used more efficiently to eat porridge, the pad is much more efficient at other games, like COD, NBA2k11, or other games.

Sat here laughing because you can plink on pad

Dude you have your panties so far up your ass it’s hilarious. Comparing controllers to cutlery is a terrible analogy. Love how you put words in my mouth too <3 You’re a no-namer whos’ come in here bad mouthing someone, yet have we seen you play? How do we know you’re not some butthurt scrub just looking to trashtalk someone because they feel inferior and instead of learning, would rather go “YOU SUCK!”

That’s how you’re coming off here.

Let me quote what i said lol

when did i put words in ur mouth…i replied directly to what u posted lol.

P.S. so pad-only players cant go to play at the arcades then? haha…no seriously lol

EDIT: Actually NVM, Francys makes a good point. <3

EDIT 2: TBQH, I’m just gonna bounce from this thread cause I’m pretty tired of ppl using me as a crutch in whatever argument they wanna make lately. All these armchair warriors gotta point out i’m bad, i’m bad, etc. Francys is right - jealously is the sincerest form of flattery.

@Rotten

your analogy is to brash and not specific enough. it would better be suited as

you have a cup of noodles, or some type of Asiatic soup that looks like cup of noodles. Now you can eat it with a pair of twigs or a fork. Lets say you are in a asian restaurant full of asian people. Now you can eat the soup with a stick or eat the soup with a fork. Both work wonders, except people have their preferences. Now you can eat the soup with the utensil it was made with in mind. In this case sticks. And you can eat it with a fork, but risk looking ridiculous to a bunch of uptight asians while eating the soup. Ultimately its your call, but one could argue that the stick is, for our sake in this example, more efficient.

Now let me add a little twist to show you the mind of one pad user. While i could be using what could be considered the more efficient tool (the twigs), i preffer the fork (pad). Now I may look ridicioulus to some asian folk and those weird asian nut huggers obssesd with guarding some mystical tradition. But I do not like eating with the stick because its to loud, they are to clumsy, and my hand contours better with the fork. LIke the asian people make thier disgusting noise slurping down the soup with their twigs, the stick excessive noise just bugs the hell out of me. Like the twigs, the stick is simply to clumsy for me to use, and the economics of time play a large role in here as well. Why bother using this mystical pair of sticks when I can already use a fork just as well as the asian person can use those sticks. Lastly ergonomics. My hand simply contours to the controller well. All the buttons are there within easy access and placed well for me to use. throw, focus attack, and kara grab are easier accessible because i don’t have to form or shift my hand to use those tools. Where on stick i have to.

so in short you are making to much of a big deal about which tool i want to use. you are trying to compare

arcade sticks are to pads as ratchets are to wrenches.

doesn’t work like that.

lol pedo you actually humored this guy?

uhh… ya it’s cool for you to comment on other players… but why be so bold? especially since they’re right here beside you? Just like you said with your example of basketball players… it’s cool to critique, but i’m sure Kobe would still be pissed if some no name came up to him and told him that he stinks.

and… i guess i’ll talk about pad for a sec… 1st off i’ll be honest and say that I think your a super scrub and you know little to nothing about what your talking about when you mention double plinking or double taping and stuff like that… buuut ne way.

I piano as honda on pad all the time… Kara throw… step kick fierce with abel etc you name it… It feels awkward learning it on pad yes!, but then again it feels awkward learning it on stick as well…

You could argue that sf is MEANT to be played on stick… but at this point since so many TOP players have shown that it’s possible to be just as good as Other top players on stick, It’s removed the stigma of “lol look at him he’s playing on pad”, if there EVER WAS ONE (and if there was it came mainly from people like you i bet). They are just as good and deserve just as much respect, if you think otherwise than you don’t know what your talking about.

Knowing that your a scrub and knowing that you have little to offer anyone here… why would you come on here and be so aggressive with your opinoins?

#1 your wrong and #2 nobody knows or cares about you! So next time you have something on your mind that you think we would like to hear from you try presenting it in a manner that doesn’t make you look like douche.

why does this sort of drama always happen in our forums =/ ?

the narcassictic, loathing of others, self rightousness mentallity is strong with this one. All he needs is the mask and claw.

@splurgendi

I do humor trolls to much.

@Joz

this should remind you of Rukuwa la Forza doesnt it.

@Eternal

because its the Vega forums???

From a psychological point of view, he is the most animilistic deluded one of the cast. And from what i have learned by studying the human condition on my spare time, people choose characters they wish they could be, are infatuated with something about them, or subconciously connect with at some level. Which could explain a lot of the hate in this sub-forum.

Damn, rotten apple guy, your a tool.

This Forum Needs more bacon

LOL thanks guys u all are too kind. im quite entertained by postin here lol

anyway this all stemmed from watchin the “magic of jozhear” vid…i hate it when just mash up vids u know. lol then i just had to rant and this is what it ended as hahaha

obviously i wouldnt say kobe stinks…cuz kobe clearly doesnt. i didnt say tatsu sucked did i?

now i would say that DJ Mbenga sucks (insert bad vega players. OK yes, im included because im casual/armchair warrior lol). but kobe is great (tatsu is good pro vega), lamar odom is inconsistent (arai/cat-k is random at times), and im just really sad jordan (makoto) has retired

CAT-K >>>> anybody right now imo, except for my Ego which is so fucking cash.

Look, I dont blame you for hatin’ on Joz. Its natural for somebody to hate on when they see somebody they deem unfit to be inflated or over hyped. happens in any competitve scene, or in any scene like music. I guess you should be less dickish? personally I would have come off that douchy, how ever Joz never claimed to be pro so i wouldn’t have been a dick because there was not reason. So im not understanding why you would consider him pro, all he said was that he could hang with them = not being free. Tourney player =/= pro.

@Gaf

needs sum Bacon tooth paste to clean our dirty mouths. Then we need sum ice cream with bacon bits in it to make us all happy and not want to kill each other while we relish in mouth watering orgasmic ecstasy.

Less talkin more walkin! wwmajin uploaded hitbox videos for vega

Take note of how Vega’s FBA vulnerable hitbox is much smaller until he unleashes the claw attack.

I play on a stick but played on pad for about a year and Vega is piss-easy to play on both pad and stick. This really shouldn’t be used to judge someones skill.

Well he did get bodied (lol) thats a fact and it really doesnt matter what rotten’s skill is, apparently he knows enough about vega to form an opinion. Do you have to be master chef before you can critique someones food? Do you have to be president before you can say hes doing a bad job? Stupid argument.

Tatsu is still the best US vega i have seen. Joz probably IS the worst “pro” but still qualifies for tournies. All this proves is you dont have to be that good to play in the major tournies.

ehm, im like lurker skywalker in this thread, was on the lookout for some vega videos and i read this conversation.

couple of things:

-Theres hardly no videos of pro vegas since makoto retired, in fact there are no vega “grandmasters” in the online leaderboards in AE. not one vega in the top 60 or so players. not everyone you see on youtube is a pro, in fact theres not a lot of real pros since SSF4 is a hobby. I think the obvious trollfest came from the frustration of not having any pro vegas to look up to, but then theres a spot open in the pantheon of the game, why are we not stepping up to it as vega players?

-Joz aint good enough for the top yet, but hes stepping up to better competition, and he IS getting better all the time, thats why i keep watching the videos. the videos show that with vega you could progress from beating scrubs that dont know the match up, to gradually challenge genuinely good players.

keep the videos coming please.