he didn’t bother reading or doing the research it’s pointless mystic.
Well, can’t blame casual players. 
The engine framework for tatsu was based around the wii chipset. The arcade board was based around that. That’s why it came out on the wii and not a good console. That doesn’t just impact graphics stuff either. MvC3 is based around an entirely different engine. Would they have the same design methodology in making the engine? Probably. There may even be similar events happening due to the similarity in that methodology. Is is the same? No. The fact that it is the same developer is a silly reason. They use different engines for different projects, even within the same developer. I would venture that even the editing tools were changed significantly between the fighting game releases. There are similarities between tatsu and 3, but to say that the engine is the same is just false. Things are reused in the industry, but just because things appear the same doesn’t mean that they are the same. Hell quake 1, 2 and 3 all had completely overhauled engines for each one. The original version of starcraft used the warcraft 2 engine (and really looked awful) and then they scrapped everything but the base structure and redid it because a new game demanded new tech. That was a new engine, and an entirely new editor as well.
Other than that I agree with your thoughts, and I love marvel 2 more than any other game. I am willing to give 3 a shot though.
I’m so salty at this game I might just say fuck it all haha
Oooooooh snap. Nailed it, dude. There’s always a distinct form in which casual players have that makes them look PAINFULLLLLY casual. Quite honestly, I hate it. I don’t ever wanna be or come off as elitist but it’s seriously difficult to respond to them without sounding like one. Mainly because their arguments and examples are so flawed. Then it’s you bringing the solid knowledge and coming off as a “I-know-better-than-you” which is the truth. Prime example of the casual effect is Tekken. There is ALWAYS someone who thinks their the “best they know” at Tekken but in reality they just play Hworang and/or Eddy and mash the day away. Brings me to my point, all those that feel like we are being elitist fucks need to pick up the sticks and let their game do the talking. I guarantee you that it will either end in them calling you cheap or abusing the game engine. I’ve yet to see painfully casual sounding players stand up to the people that they’re arguing with. Think I’m wrong? Fucking prove it! I don’t care how many fucking games you play, if you’re gonna try to have some stupid e-argument then you’d better be able to beat me.
Fucking shit. People. When WE (GFB, etc) say “ENGINE” we mean the game system AKA game mechanics. Not the fucking graphics. There’s a game engine and a graphics engine. GFB is completely right. MvC3 is more TvC than anything else. There’s absolutely NOTHING you can say to change that. It’s TvC2, like it or not. Fuck, the early builds had universal airdashing! If anything TvC APES GG and BB. So, by extension you can say that there’s a BB influence in TvC but in the end MvC3 is the next version of TvC. No different from how MvC2 was an extrapolation of MvC which was the successor to MSHvSF which in turn derived from XMvSF which came forth from MSH with was birthed by XM:COTA! All of those game share very,very similar game mechanics. I’d fucking draw you a family tree if you don’t get it yet. Fuck the graphics, it’s all about the HEART of the game and MvC3’s heart is filled with the blood of TvC.
Much love, Nick but AHVB and Cable can EAT A DICK <3
haha I understand. doesn’t seem to be much else of a reason to go. Well, I’d go for AH3. But not sure, just tryin’ to gauge the marvel2 presence there. Looks like it will only be VDO and a couple more guys :[
“So, by extension you can say that there’s a BB influence in TvC but in the end MvC3 is the next version of TvC. No different from how MvC2 was an extrapolation of MvC which was the successor to MSHvSF which in turn derived from XMvSF which came forth from MSH with was birthed by XM:COTA! All of those game share very,very similar game mechanics. I’d fucking draw you a family tree if you don’t get it yet. Fuck the graphics, it’s all about the HEART of the game and MvC3’s heart is filled with the blood of TvC.”
You summed up the connection between all the VS series pretty well and clear my friend. :china:
I might still buy it and try it out even though I am not happy with the game at the moment. If the game is really that shitty, then I’ll run over to my neighbor house and punch the baby in the face for Capcom to use Marvel name in a game that is supposed to be something else, i.e., TVC2. then I will burn the game to hell, flush its ashes down the toilet with full of shit and hopefully it drained to the correct sewer treatment plant so that the next MVC will not be like MVC3.
Anyone wants to play later? I play both low and high tiers but preferrably high. I’ll be on 7pm PST.
I wasn’t talking about a graphics engine. Note when I said “this doesn’t just impact graphics stuff” The game examples I mentioned were also referring to more than just graphics. This is just going to come down to semantics I guess, and even two things that seem very similar are NOT the same. From a programming standpoint the engines are not the same, and I felt it was a gross generalization to say so. Nothing will change that fact.
I also hate how people throw around the term “engine” like it is just one functioning piece that they understand and can quantify. Even if you are on the programming staff you don’t have a deep understanding of the entire structure of a game. We never did. We had an idea, but to ask me about graphics code on my projects would not get a very good answer.
That’s all this argument was. Don’t make it into something it isn’t. Fucking hell I wasn’t even attacking any of you, or even mvc2. I just wanted to correct what was being said. I have no interest in random internet drama.
i think MvC3 will end up being like MSHvSF…in that it will be really boring. its slow and all its “brokenness” feels more due to manufactured-ness rather than ingenuity and discovery. still, its fun and im enjoying it so far, and ill push it as far as i can, but ill always still play mvc2. i dont see how anyone could just drop that game altogether if they really played it seriously before 3 came out
I manage to do the Rom Infinite. 94 hits while using XF 
I didn’t play TvC but Marvel 3 truly is a mashers dream. I played this game with NO idea on what I was doing, I basically mashed good portions and won. In time, I’m sure I’ll understand the engine a bit better but this game feels too easy. It took me quite a while to learn Marvel2 and I still get my ass kicked, lol.
I mean, it’s aight. I got nothing against the game, it just needs more mahvel baybay imo.
You’re not the only one. I encounter someone doing the same shit. Sadly, I killed him and snap the shit out of him when I punished his assist. In this game…You can easily kill assist with a special.
GGs nick
If anyone continue to talk about marvel 3 in this thread will be sent to hell with Aizen
oopz this is kRaZzY btw at the homiez house
DOPE avatar.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s cool man. I quoted you and GFB (not directly) just to illustrate how “engine” was being thrown around and interpreted. Also, you DID state that MvC3’s was “entirely different” which is not true. If anything, at the very least it is a successor to the game mechanics present in TvC. Also, I do differ from you on the opinion that the 1-button-launcher “excuse” is a bad example. It’s glaring proof that they are dumbing the system down for casual players. Less attacks really does limit the game system. You can make the argument that everyone technically has 4 attack buttons but unlike a game like BB, the 4th button performs nearly identically. This is further insult in a game where they’ve been adamant to proclaim that they are focusing on keeping the cast diverse. Personally I feel that it should’ve only applied to “Simple mode” (FUCK, why couldn’t they have just used a more traditional simple mode then bringing everyone down to casual level).
Debate aside, I can appreciate that you are, at the very least, attempting to post with thought and consideration. It’s a shame that most text-based discussions don’t carry the same level of decency.
So, I destroyed someone badly with Chun, Ironman and Dante. We play again and boy was it lagging and with lag. It’s harder to get close to them. Especially, when the jumping glides around :(. Wave dashing isn’t even that great since you can easily trigger a special. =/
this is a mvc2 thread mystic wtf lol
Chun-Li exist in MvC2…I thought I was playing MvC2 when I was doing intense combo. OOps ;D
Man… why did they change the controls for godsake… the magic series was far from hard to comprehend or preform and tvc did poorly outside japan. Also the damage… good lord… don’t fail to push block a chippy super or there goes 30% of your life!!
Also I cannot fathom why light attacks are made such utter shit in an air combo… It may be eternity before I stop trying to start shit with sj.lk…
The way people float after they recover in the air is retarded as well…
Other than that… loving the hell out of marvel 3…
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Sweet jesus I now see why jean’s health is so shit… if you get 5 meters and die… shit is DONE… specially if you have xfc saved (why the hell wouldn’t you if you got pheonix) bitch gets like 3 life bars by the time its all said and done… and thats just normal+pheonix+xfc… not even counting the healing fields…
Let’s keep this a MvC2 thread please?