Marvel VS Capcom 2 is the best fighting game ever

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This is just my opinion:

Mvc2 without low tiers = Gay

GG with negative penalty = Gay

the fact is that there is a reason people don’t like to play mvc2, I like the game, like it alot actually and i almost gave up on it, but after I started using low tiers (against top tiers) and tried to make it work i haven’t had so much fun in a while.

GGXX is a okay game, negative penalty is pretty lame considering it eliminates just about all keepaway game, and blocking isn’t exactly free in this game either ( Doesn’t it raise your dizzy meter?) it’s japanese cliche’s don’t you think? Slash at the end of a fight is a rock reference the silly characters, but most of all, 90% of the gg matches i’ve seen are just block strings back and forth.

in the end, both games aren’t perfect at least not to me but they are both pretty fun. But i could never personally play ggxx, it lacks one of the biggest balances of all, Offense vs. Defense.

(I’m well aware of burst and instant defense, but negative penalty fucks over defense, so does faultless defense)

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The negative penality argument against GG was shot down long ago when people were still new to GGX2. NPs are as rare as a draw game in MvC2. You can still use defense in GG, you can’t just run away from the fight for 30 seconds.

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haha I got a negative penalty once using Eddie… but than again I turtle a lot when my Eddie summon is recharging. GGXX SCRUB 2 DA MAX!!!

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I waz saying the same thing in my post so its not off topic… Why is he so famous u ask? Well back then (2 or 3 years ago) U have Iron-Man and his easy as fuck 4 button infinite they figured hey if we get good wit him wins will be simple cause in theory it is, but its so hard now. So many ppl got better, its really hard to use him.

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Use Ky. And I’m glad there is a running penalty, fighting like a pussy is never good. Besides I play very defensive/counter like but I know how to balance it enough to never get a penalty, its not that hard. :karate: :karate: :karate: :tup:

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You have to be practically STANDING STILL or just jumping/airdashing away to get one. If you do anything else, it’s not likely to happen. Blocking, throwing out fireballs or safe pokes, doing anything but standing still or just airdashing away will prevent a negative penalty.

Faultless defense fucks over nothing. It drains your bar and INCREASES blockstun, in exchange for you getting knocked further away and not taking chip.

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the top tier is also the funnest to play

hello sentineL? RAW FUCKIN POWER

i mean seriously what kind of douche bag WANTS to play gay ass capcom characters like ryu? wack attack.

give me a flying two hundred pound robot that can effectively zone, reduce your options, can fly and do meelee moves that attack at a wide variety of angles and distances, lockdown, rushdown, and stomp down as opposed to some gay ass with a bandana thats slow, ugly, shoots weak ass fireballs and has a variety of weak meelee attacks that are bland and cookie-cutter. frying pan over ryu’s jumping fierce ANY DAY thank you very much

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I’m bored, so I’ll give this a shot. And I don’t really want to read the entire thread in detail, so sorry if this has been said before. I doubt it, tho. Anyway…

To the people who feel like putting the game down, it all comes down to not understanding how the game works and why it works so well. Above all else, this is a team game. If you can’t embrace that fact, not only will you not know why the game works like it does, but you will never be any good at it. This is not simply msh/xvssf/mvssf/mvc1 with different properties + assists sprinkled in. And this is not conventional Street Fighter either - although it does retain many strategic properties, despite different applications of them, which is exactly what makes the game so good at high levels. Looking at mvc2 in comparison to other games is the basis of 90% of the complaints that I’ve heard about the game. Wake up and pay attention to what you’re putting down.

mvc2 functions way differently than any other Capcom game that at least I’ve played. The team concept not only compensates for chracter flaws/enhances abilities, but completely changes how offense and defense works. Forget using them, just the threat and presence of the other 2 characters and what they can do through assists/dhc/thc/counter/whatever makes you think about more than just the two guys on the screen. I’m gonna say it one more time: mvc2 is a team game, not simply 3-on-3. You can get that with cvs2 or kof. And I’m no expert at either of them, but the only team concept I’ve seen on those games was meter management based on matchups, clock expliotation, and counter picking/order switching.

As for the argument about so-called “low tiers” not being able to hang, that once again stems from not understanding what the game is. You can name some arbitrary team that you think sucks and place it against Team Scrub and I can call you an idiot for doing that. And then I can call you an idiot again if the team you picked can actually play that match. Like all good games, mvc2 is matchup dependant, which makes more characters relevant. Off hand, I would say that 5-10 characters in the entire game would not be useful in some way, and that’s probably high, too. It all depends on knowing the matchup, knowing the properties (character vs character, assist vs assist, dhc/thc vs certain situations, your character’s snapout/assist kill, frame killing, stuff like that), how patient you are, how good your reactions are, execution…this all sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Sounds a lot like Street Fighter to me. Nothing is impossible in this game unless you put yourself in a position for it to be. You can cite all the match vids you want and say it’s proof you can’t fight so and so with low tier, or that guy’s top team sucks. And I can tell you to stop watching that shit and go out and play/experiment. And think. And pay more attention. There’s a gimmick for everybody in mvc2. It’s a matter of finding it for yourself and making it work.

And Justin Wong would probably win a major with Cyclops/Gambit/Morrigan. Not because he’s Justin Wong, but because he knows his team and how to play it correctly. And that’s not even his good fuck around team. Nobody’s saying it’s easy to win without top tier, but if you know how, it’s makes your overall game that much better. And if you get really good with fringe teams, you might now have a possible counter team. Or something to shit on people with if you’re that good. Stop being lazy and shit will pay off for you in the end.

To the guy who mentioned Vampire Savior or Virtua Fighter and why we don’t play it or are good at it…find me those games to play in public with other humans or arcades to play them in and then you might begin to have a point. That’s the way I see it. Isn’t it the same for Japan re: mvc2? I thought the game had low circulation there.

Notice how I did all this without putting other games down? Or went into “balance” issues, which is the dumbest point ever? I joined in 2000, btw, not like it makes that much of a difference. It’s all in how you present your argument. That’s for whoever mentioned dates and stuff.

I guess I’m done. I’m probably not gonna flame back, so don’t bother arguing with me.

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That was probably the best explanation of what marvels really about.

ever.

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good shit.

everyone download vamp savior rom though, for real. that game, to me, is like the perfect mid-ground between basic SF (lets say ST), and MvC2. It works kinda how mvc2 would work if there no assists or superjumps, or like ST with dashes and pushblocking and early form of magic series. I think it’s really good to open your eyes in possibilities for both, but just fun in it’s own right. I’ve just started playing around with it in the last few weeks though I could be wrong. People could always bring a laptop to tourneys if the game gets enough interest, with one of those PSX->USB dual adaptors.

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Wow, I could not have said it better myself. It is clear you are a very smart individual.

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That’s what marvel is all about and IMO, Mvc2 is a fun game if you know how to work out your teams correctly, like what Bernie said above. Also, in Mvc2, “Anyone can lose to anyone and anyone can win against anyone”. Mvc2 is Inevitable :tup:

~Chunksta~

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I’m just going to say this. This site wouldn’t be what it is today without Mvc2. Plus, not to mention Mvc2 = drama. I haven’t seen so much drama in any game but Marvel. The coast to coast battles, the 20+ pages long of flame wars about Iceman being better then Cable, and that match between Soo and the Wazzler. I don’t see that kind of action anywhere else. So to me it’s not just Mvc2, it’s the following behind it.

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You mean it wouldn’t be turning to shit?

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Ugh, the whole ignorance factor about Japan not caring about MvC2 thing is really annoying the hell out of me. First of all, to say that the game having a shitload of Marvel characters being the main reason why they don’t like the game is a lame argument, considering that the Marvel property is well known worldwide and is a good seller. And in the realm of games, Capcom made SEVEN other Marvel related games, 2 SNES platformers and 5 arcade fighters (with the fighters, 2 of them having a complete Marvel roster, sans Akuma and Anita who both had appearances in X-Men: COTA and MSH respectively). It wouldn’t make any sense for a Japanese company to sell a property that they know wouldn’t sell in their main market now wouldn’t it? :rolleyes:

Here are two reasons why MvC2 never took off there:

  • Capcom did that stupid Dreamcast-Netplay-Arcade connectivity point system bullshit. Because of this, people weren’t able to play with a FULL roster because certain characters could only be unlocked with a specific set of points from DC Homeplay, DC Netplay and Arcade play. It was said long ago that many early tournies there were played with incomplete rosters, obviously with an incomplete game you won’t be able to explore and understand it as much as the US has. Remember, the US version doesn’t have this connectivity bullshit, that’s why we got all the characters with zero problems and were able to experiment with crazy shit ASAP.

  • By the time MvC2’s potential was fully realized, it was too late over there, Japan moved on to the GGXX games, continued on with 3S, VF4EVO, CvS2 and etc… They could care less about a game that disappointed them years ago.

Blah, I’m out.

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I own Daigo Umehara in MvC2.

equips flame shield (33% resistance to flame attacks)

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archetype’s point about characters is a pretty good one.

At the end of the day, I don’t really care.

I don’t like the game**.** I’m the best judge of my own taste. It just wasn’t as fun as most other games. And if a game isn’t enjoyable and doesn’t convince me that I like it, then YES, it is shit. I don’t need to have any deep understanding of the game to say this.

As somebody stated a few pages previous, glitches should be treated as curiosities. They should not run the game.

Are you serious?!? Do you really think that people wouldn’t come to this site if it wasn’t for MVC2? You don’t forsee the possibility that people just play what’s out? You can’t imagine that any other game would be widely played if MVC2 never came out? Talk about short sighted. Here’s how it works: another game would fill its shoes and you wouldn’t know the difference, and we’d get 10-page arguments like this one as to why (eg) GG has generated such a following.

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Have you been here since 2000? I have and I can definately say www.shoryuken.com was built on Marvel. 99% of the threads was about Marvel, 99% of the vids were about Marvel, nearly everything was dealing with Marvel. This game was the sole reason I came to this site anyways, and I’m sure I’m not alone on this.:tup:

It wasn’t until CVS2 made it’s debut when attention for MVC2 went down and eventually became the way it is today.

I understand your opinion and that’s fine, but no one can respect your opinion if you don’t back it up with anything. :pleased: Not hating just saying.

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Yes, but dismissing everything you say, I propose that if it wasn’t for Marvel, this site (or one with a different name) would have been just as popular, and it would have been based around the leading game of the time. Just because Marvel is out it doesn’t mean more people play videogames or that more people use internet message boards. It would have been exactly the same, but with a different game in the videos. Don’t kid yourself otherwise.

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I might just be repeating what others have said, but for what it’s worth…

I for one became interested in fighting games again soley because of Marvel-- if the leading game of the time had been something with the old school feel we see in most other fighters, I probably would never have become interested in them and would never have come to any fighting game sites, let alone SRK.

I would say that MvC2 has alot of draws that other fighters don’t, many of which have already been mentioned in this thread (100 foot superjumps, 8-way air dashing and flight, flashy combos, etc), which have attracted fans that wouldn’t have been attracted to other games.

Maybe I’m the only one, who knows?