No u cant, please get the facts straight
Umm i got the facts straight… Yes U can, me and my boy tested it. I waz able to throw him out of any fireball and jab shoryuken. Try grabbing at start-up its possible (Obviously before they jump). :rolleyes:
Most people in here that say marvel sucks probably dont even know how to play Marvel. So their votes dont count.
I agree a thread purely for reactionary purposes.
vs. games = fun and freedom(except mshvsf, mvc1 isn’t as bad as it but xvsf and mvc2 are top tier imo). 3s, and cvs2 are good games but they just aren’t as fun to me as vs. games.
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white shadow i hear you on the freedom thing.
there are SO many possibilities in this game. with all the different characters, different supers, different specials, DHCs, counters, assists, air dash, teleports, there are infinitely many different ways a matchup can go, and infinitely ways the matchup will change when you change a team slightly.
there’s so MUCH to marvel, more than just be random, c.fk xx shinkuu haduken (LOL at your comment), throw.
the other thing i love about marvel is that its the epitome of what skill was talking about in his dom101 articles about dominating and controlling the game. in this game you can effectively zone and play positional games. sentinel is a good example. with just his crouching/standing fierce, drones, flying, frying pan, assist, he can shut down an attacking players options. one of the most exciting things to me is watching the dynamic of a sentinel trying to shut out magneto whose trying to get in. the other capcom games, by absence of beam moves, long ranging attacks, assists, do not have this kind of ability to control space.
i don’t know any fancy combos but i can still beat people who are master of unfly combos and various infinites and crazy combos. i just play positionally but it works (read: cheeeeeeese).
annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd captain commando does not suck. stfu haters. yes he has a VERY bad matchup against sentinel. fighting cables kinda icky too, unless its one on one. but if i have sentinel drone assist backing me up, im really not worried when magneto snaps me in (other than the guard break). or fighting storm.
HAVE ONE OF THESE WITH BACON “N” CHEESE!!!
Same here, I can’t do elaborate Magz combos and Sent resets but I still win, if you play smart in Marvel you can still win!!!:bgrin: You do need above-average execution skills (like do AHVB and HSFxwhatever but nothing spectacular to be a decent player.
I think old schoolers hate the game because it provides them with an overwhelming amounts of options, which they are not used to and it turns them off. They see the GOD tiers as a negative thing but fail to realize that most second/third tiers are basically cookie-cutter versions of each other (the characters Capcom intended you play with normally and boringly:rolleyes:). If the game was all about launching into a AC, THC, or super it would’ve died long ago, it’s Marvel’s tier imbalance that MADE the game so fun.
It provides a way of emulating power (big explosions/beams/speed), DBZ-esque frenziness (that actually makes sense and ISN’T random once you feel MVC2 like the average player), and freedom in a way never done before. Like a superhero comic/ fighting manga that you control.:tup: 
Justin Wong is living proof on the game being balanced, if it were all THAT random would he be fortunate to completely dominate in over a thousand tournaments for 4 years undefeated (make a calculated one pixel comeback with Cable) with until his recent loss?
If you can’t understand this then I guess this game isn’t right for you, but if you finally get tired of dealing with the Hadouken, Shoryuken psuedo-trap in ST for 0967842124692 time in a row MVC2 is always waiting.:pleased:
Okay…
So. JWong’s comeback with 1 pixel Cable.
People attribute it to JWong’s skill, the brokenness of AHVB instilling fear, luck. I attribute it to the first two myself.
I’m not seeing the leap of logic here from “JWong wins with Cable” to “MvC2 is balanced”. To me, JWong’s just that damned good. It’s like Chikyuu’s weirdass characters. Are they tops? No, but he’s good with them.
I try not to hate on MvC2, but it’s so easy. I played it for a long while myself, I’ve followed threads and discussions. But this statement doesn’t make any sense to me.
I’ll admit Marvel is fun. Decidedly not my thing, though.
If it’s so easy how comes you’re not a top player? Just because you can air block and there isn’t any parrying doesn’t make it any easier. You have to learn many tactics and manuevers to just get to the basics.
The reason why I stated that stuff earlier was because many people claim that MVC2 is too random when if you actually take time to play and understand the game it isn’t random at all ('cept for maybe a slight glitch here or there but that’s in ALL fighting games). If it was SOOOO random Justin by probability would lose but he’s won every major tourney 4 years running.
Yes Cable and the rest of the God/top tiers are broken WHEN compared to the low tiers. BUT if you treat tham as separate entities they become their own set of characters on the same playing field. WE KNOW Cable has the AHVB but you have to get past it anyways, adapt or die.
Xecutioner KNEW what he was up against so it’s not like it was the AHVBs fault ofr hitting him when you made a blunder. Wog had to take advantage and he did. :karate:
I respect the fact that you don’t enjoy the game on the same level as me and yet didn’t start hating on it mindlessly.:pleased:
Til this day what i do not fucking understand, is when Justin Wong beat whats his name with the 1 pixel of health cable, of all things he could have done with storm, why didnt he do a random LIGHTING STORM, in the air, which is pretty much 95 % unavoidable, and chip wong to death? hail storm is too risky and has to be done on the floor, you can do lighting storm anywhere, anytime, and when he floated down to J.wong, and got crossed up and lk,lk, ahvb to death, instead of touching the floor, he could have lighting stormed, or fly mode, into air dash lighting storm, SOMETHING! the possibilities are endless.
Clarification: It’s easy to dog on MvC2, not easy to play it. I should’ve been less vague in my wording.
I don’t believe it’s random at all, but I think anyone who doesn’t believe that the game has some serious playability issues is delusional.
This is my entire problem with MvC2 here. In other games it’s possible to play someone you like and still win. In CvS2 it’s because of RC. In 3S it’s because of parry. In #r it’s because of the six billion engine options everyone has (RC, FRC, FD, etc etc etc). In MBR, it’s because no one’s really super-overpowered anymore. In ST, you have counter characters and tactics. In MvC2, you have to hang with the elite or you’re wasting your time.
Hating on things mindlessly is stupid. It’s much more satisfying when you hate on something and you know the other side has no defense for it. 
It called the “Justin Factor.” Don’t question it. It’s beyond all human comprehension even if you use 100% of your brain. lol hahahha
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It was a really stressful match for X and 2002 play was different from 2004 play where new tactix have evolved.
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It’s even easy for me to dodge a random Lightning Storm, much less Wong in super-focus and he could’ve gotten hit on the recovery with a J.LP, J.FP xx AHVB combo.
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LS could work but then again Cable could’ve dodged it and punished an attempt.
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X floated down to waste time so he’d SJ again to waste even more time for a safe win.
“What if?” stuff is easy to say but when you’re in the heat of the moment it’s not as easy to think of a counter for every situation, especially when playing an smart opponent.
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Bellreisa: Let’s be serious here, in serious tourney play esp. at EVO, weren’t most of the teams in CVS2 and the characters chosen in 3S were top tier? In MVC2 characters like Rogue, Cyke, IM, Doom, BH, Megaman, Strider/Doom, Spiral, Venom, Capcom, Psylocke, Sakura, Cammy, Juggz, Tron, and many more have a decent chance to win. Remember this is a TEAM game, Vegita-X and Zaza have proved the majority wrong many, many times.
Nowaday all those “decent” characters I’ve seen in CVS2 are now being raped by A-Bison and A-Sakura and K-Blankas and C-Sagat and… it goes on. When played casually 2nd tiers stand a decent chance but on a compettive level I don’t see them getting any love apart from maybe RCing E.Honda.
Like I said before MVC2 isn’t about what character you can’t use, because half of them don’t have anything defining about them anyways to make them ENJOYABLE to play with. The top and god tiers as well as a few 2nd tiers have oodles of tricks, combos, resets to learn making them more fun to use than some lame non-air dashing, dial-a-preset-AC-combo, low damaging character. cough Chun li cough Is it bad that people can’t use their favorite crappy character? Yes, but I’m not forcing them to use top tiers.
Heck even my Rogue/Tron/IM team has beaten some top tiers on occasion. :razzy:
I guess you also consider MK to be one of the greatest then? :rolleyes: There is a such thing as being overrated…
Marvel is a good game, it’s just not for me. Which is kind of strange, since I love fast games like GGXX and hate CvsS2…
i like mvc2. imo, its a funner game than st, cvs2, 3s, etc.
however, the character balance is fuckin whack.
i, for one, want to use the characters i like and win with them without working 20x harder for the win.
i’ve been playing mvc2 since the game first came out and the character variety is getting narrower and narrower over the years. its still a good game tho.
MvC2 I tried alot to get into, but really couldnt, cause I get my ass beat before I learn a damn thing. Until I get like a coach or some hardcore advice/help, I just play the game for kicks. It’s fun, though.
I personally haven’t played CvS2 for a long time because the game ended up changing in ways I didn’t enjoy, so I just dropped it. I’ve seen Zaza play before, he’s very impressive. However, your argument is really also applicable to 3S as well. Sure, the tournaments are dominated by Ken/Chun/Yun, but over in Japan, players who have a higher understanding of the game don’t feel constrained to top tier because they know the ins and outs of their character and can consistently win matches with them. It’s my belief that a player who dedicates his time to learning a character will have less of an uphill battle against top tier in 3S than he would in MvC2.
Granted, MvC2 is a team game, so that does change the dynamic a bit. But I don’t think you’re fooling anyone when you pick a team like… just a random example, Storm/Tron/CapCom or something. Okay, Tron’s not top tier, but look at your other two guys. Even Vegita-X plays Rogue/Storm/Tron. Would he still be winning if he picked Rogue/Chun/Tron? It’s a rare instance where you get the Joe Zaza’s who pick two Wolverines on the same team.
It’s the team dynamic that really feels like it’s picking up the slack for the lower characters. You’re using top tier and a gimmick the lower tier characters have. If you had to put Tron on point, yes, she can be good. No, she’s not going to be as good as Magneto.
Look at that lineup and see how many of those are meant to be assists and how many are on point.
This is why I argue that MvC2 has balance issues. In order to make lower tier effective, you have to use someone else from at least upper-mid or top tier. You have to whore out Cyke or CapCom assist. This is why it appears that games like CvS2 and 3S have less overall playable characters, because they don’t have the team dynamic like MvC2 does to allow for lower tier characters with gimmicks to ride in the wake of your Blanka or Sagat.
Of course, along with that statement you can say that the MvC2 team dynamic requires certain characters to be relegated to certain roles: CapCom is supposed to be the AAA, Tron is supposed to be whored out for her glitched assist, etc. But that’s reducing the overall function of a character. I guess I just don’t like that in a fighting game, I like exploring each character individually and the team dynamic doesn’t make things feel that way.
Justin was activating that chip in his brain that makes him so much better than all of us. I would have done everything the exact same way X did. How could anyone predict that when X went for hail that Wong would tkviper beam which would build just enough meter to cancel it into AHVB like one frame before hail started?
I never said MK waz the greatest ever plz dont put words in my mouth. U can say that Marvel is overrated. But then again it being overrated is UR opinion…