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People forget comics does literally made flipped gender versions of other characters, and this is before any SJW movement. Characters get a female version all the time as comics will attempt anything under (and above) the Sun, as comics do weird shit because they are comics.

Like there a female Joker who wears steampunk attire and is the Daughter of Harvey Dent

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I mean I’m not mad or anything I’m just used to all versions of the character that I’ve seen being male. But I’m not gonna be a fake nerd about that character. I’m with Hawk as long as she’s cool I don’t really care :upside_down_face:

It’s because all the X-Men ladies are still on the shelf.

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Outside of the X-Men? Not really. Marvel for decades had an issue where nearly all of their original female characters who were not mutants were either derivatives of a popular male ones, flat love interests or just bad concepts.

It is only in the last two decades that they started doing better, so when trying to modernize some concepts them switching genders, races or both isn’t too surprising especially for certain characters where the design is paramount but not locked to an identity.

Non mutant females were derivatives of males? Wut?

How many original leading ladies does Marvel have that aren’t

  1. X-Men
  2. Not a female version of a pre established male character (This also means characters like Sharon Carter)
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Even the walking insomnia pill Captain Marvel is a derivative character and she’s Marvel’s biggest name female.

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Damn that’s hard.

Electra
Black Widow
Elsa Bloodstone
…ummm that’s all I got without Google, only know the last one because of Ultimate Alliance 3.

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Sue storm and Wasp?

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Not sure Wasp would count.

Wasp is a co-star. She’s an original but not a lead.

Scarlet Witch can work solo but she’s largely a team character.

Squirrel Girl. If Marvel ain’t cowards they’ll give her something.

Elsa is the daughter of an existing monster hunting Marvel character Ulysses Bloodstone. Ironically she was written as a Buffy knock off until her appearances in the classic Nextwave comic.

I wouldn’t count Elsa as derivative because as you said, she was initially based on Buffy. Her Dad is a cliff note to the greater MU.

Fair enough, I wasn’t sure. I thought about the original Spiderwoman because she has nothing to do with Peter Parker and has totally different set of abilities. Side note: Twin said no mutants, ironically like Wanda, so she’d be out.

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I thought they retconed Wanda being a mutant or did they re retcon it back?

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He said no X-Men. Wanda has no actual association with them. She’s been an Avenger for most of her character history. She counts. Being a mutant doesn’t mean being an X-Man

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Good point fam.

Wanda isn’t a mutant unless they changed her back

This is part of the reason why I gave up comics back in the day. They keep changing shit.

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Like I’m not mad at it. It’s more interesting that her powers are based in magic. But to this point yeah she’s a magic user thus a leading lady. Her powers are based in chaos magic, she’s literally starring in a show and co-starring in a movie.

I wasn’t mad, more like annoyed. I liked to try to keep up with overall story arcs and between retcons and the multiverse. It became less relaxing and fun. It became more like a job.

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