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None of these are really universe retcons though. Crossovers, sure but that’s not what Zephy means. Oh sure, some of them retcon some things, but the universe is still intact.

And Marvel has retconned things in the past too, but a lot of times they have to just to keep things new for the current audience. I mean, you can’t run around and say Flash Thompson served in Viet Nam because he’d be an old man and ditto for Peter Parker who grew up with him, so him ‘serving overseas’ works just as well.

The closest Marvel got to a major universal retcon is OMD. Still, I think when all is said and done Marvel is going to say that Mephisto just made everyone forget that Peter and MJ were married. They keep swearing up and down that every single story still happened and I haven’t heard the Marvel camp mention that story they were working on where they would retell what happened on Spidey’s wedding day. I mean, who knows really since Marvel’s taking their sweet time explaining that one…

Oh yeah Marvel’s latest retcon has gotta be Venom Dark Origins. They changed the way his father looks, made it so his family isn’t rich and gave Eddie Brock a sister! Of course his original origin story (Venom Lethal Protectors I think…) was a straight up rip off of Norman and Harry Osborn, I mean rich abusive father come on… So this is one of those cases where I really don’t mind the retcon, and all of those years Venom was a good guy IMHO were stupid anyway…

There’s a thing that goes on in comics that except for major stuff like say, Gwen Stacy biting it they really only go back about 4 years in the past and most of their references come from there. It’s because every 4 years or so, there’s a new audience buying comics and a generation that quits comics, so they really don’t have to go that far back. I mean really, they hardly ever reference something that happened in the 80s…

I’m not sure how well that philosophy works now because… It just seems to me that there aren’t that many new readers and the people who are into them now have been reading them for 10 plus years. And with Essentials, Marvel DVD-Roms, the Marvel Digital Comic Universe thingy, Wikipedia, Marvel.com, Marvel Universe books etc. - it’s a lot easier for fans to keep these things straight and catch things when writers mess up. Sometimes writers care about this stuff, sometimes they don’t and of course humans are still prone to making mistakes.

I dunno, if the story is good, pretend it happened and make the necessary adjustments in your mind. If the story is bad, pretend it didn’t happen. Because like they say, none of this stuff really happened… And yeah 20 years from now it will be hella rare that they mention bad stories besides… :wonder:

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Absolutely not. These are not “imaginary stories.” We’re talking about a fully realized mythology here that deserves to be treated with love and a respect for continuity. If old, obscure stories from a random issue of Marvel Team-Up back in the '70s don’t get referenced today, then what the hell is the point of reading comics? No. There must be a valid, in-story reason for everything in comics to exist. There’s no such thing as a bad writer, only lazy editors who don’t know or care enough to check the facts of continuity.

That’s why a Crisis would simplify Marvel’s gross negligence of the correct ages of Cloak & Dagger (among other continuity gaffes).

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OMD was a horrible idea. I mean, what in the hell would Mephisto want with Spider-Man (Peter) and Mary-Jane? I see him going after high-rolling dudes like Silver Surfer (that mindgame he played on Surfer mid 90’s with that flame-headed chick was pretty damn cool and one of the most memorable arcs I’ve read) and Dr. Strange (who makes sense because Strange is the sorta guy that fucks with figures like Mephisto on a daily basis). Unless I missed it somewhere along the way that Spidey had that sort of set-up that the Puma had with the Beyonder (Fireheart, a long time ago, had this arrangement where he could become like a fulcrum of the universe or summat on the condition that he offed the Beyonder; he never did), I don’t see Mephisto honestly CARING about Spidey’s romance with MJ. What does Spidey have that Mephisto wants? Happiness? Endless supply of poon-tang?

>___> In spite of the fanboy rant, however, I totally see where you’re coming from Sano. Comic books are generational and shifts in continuity are to be expected as the years grind on. That doesn’t mean I have to like them, though—it’s part of the reason why I stopped reading Marvel to begin with, after all. I gotta man up and take my lumps, though. Marvel still has a good creative team lurking around in the wetworks and the most recent developments (Secret Invasion) are pretty interesting.

Sorry about all of that.

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Lol you’re on fire today. :rofl:

It’s basically fans bitching and the fact that Marvel can still say “See DC, we never did a crisis!” that stops them from doing a major one. OMD/BND aside of course, which hasn’t been explained yet, because of magic… :looney: But Marvel swears they will explain how Harry came back to life, how Spidey got his web shooters back, how Aunt May’s old house was rebuilt, etc… I mean they’ll have to sooner or later because of fans bitching… :wonder:

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Are you guys taking Zephy seriously?

1786

Cloak was considered old enough to be an adult while Dagger was underage. That was part of the thing with Cloak and Dagger.

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It’s the Internet. Of course we are.

'Fucker trolls gooooooot.

1788

There was only a year between them. Cloak was 17 and dagger was 16 when they met/got drugged/got their powers.

1789

5 reasons why OMD may not be a retcon.

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Holy shit…Quesada would be a smart son of a bitch if this is something he was doing this whole time. Hell if this is true, i would feel real stupid for hating on this guy.

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Nah, just net talk. That’s why I said he was on fire lol! We prolly talked about the continuity thing 100 times by now, where Zeph stands on it is like everywhere in this forum’s very own continuity. :looney:

Apathy - Yeah I was just saying that Marvel might pull a ‘everyone forgot they were married’ stunt. I still doubt MJ remembers though and Marvel’s screwing with us there. Recently Marvel said something like, “We never said Mary Jane remembers the marriage” and truth be told they haven’t really. Methinks people are reading too much into a Faust book and a few lines. Could be wrong though.

I doubt Harry is alive too. There was another Marvel panel where they said they haven’t brought anyone back to life. That spoiler theory Apathy had in the Spider-Man thread way back when makes a lot of sense. Um yeah everyone go read that post from Apathy and brush up on this forum’s canon, GAWD! :cool:

EDIT: Eh I’ll do my job and post a link to Apathy’s old post. Click on the spoiler tag at your own risk, it’s mostly just speculation though.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4669958&postcount=249

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I don’t even remember writing that.
I’m a genius!

1793

SI Thor was excellent. so was SI x-men. can’t wait for their next issues

1794

Did that SI Thor issue explain how the hell Beta Ray Bill escaped from that dimension he was trapped in at the end of Omega Flight?

1795

umm?

sort of

Spoiler

the skrulls kidnapped him, and then shot him into asgard as a warning shot to the asgardians, telling them to leave earth or face the consequences. they kept his hammer, so thor gives bill mjolnir, and has bill backup balder while he goes off to deliver a woman’s child. issue ends with a splash of the skrulls attacking asgard

1796

I haven’t been following this shit, but skrulls are mad dumb. you do not fuck with Thor.

1797

Most of the SI stuff this week were good, except for the X-Men one and SI #5.
Thor was good, Inhumans was good too (the student replying with ‘Lockjaw!’ was funny), Y. Avengers & Runaways was also good.

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You know i expect the SI:Xmen tie-in to be just like the WWH:Xmen with it being just mindless action and the Xmen just killing skrulls left and right.

so i’m guessing you didn’t like SI#5?

1799

Yes I did not like it for various reasons-

long story short

[details=Spoiler]Brand easily beating the Skrulls
Norman easily getting rid of Skrull-Vell
The fact that the tide turns oh so quickly in this issue[/details]

Oh and Captain Britain was kickass-

Cap. Britain & MI13

Spoiler

“No more Skrulls”

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I really don’t think the tide has turned, I think they might have almost leveled the playing field but it all depends on the next couple of issues.