Gamma Corps? I think they’re featured in Incredible Hulk in the current Lyra back-up stories.
The Warbound, however…dunno last they appeared was in Planet Skaar.
Marvel Divas #3 made me
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at Angie’s hair loss. Also why the heck did Dr. Voodoo have Monica go to the auction? That’s just…dumb
It’s funny that Marvel Divas did tie into Joe Kelly’s recent 2 issue ASM arc.
ASM and Divas
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In ASM Black Cat explains why she and Puma broke up and in Divas you see the event play out.
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but i do enjoy the new FF art
eaglesham definitely has that DC style and feel which is really cool seeing FF in
Hickman is good realy good realy realy good i hope Marvell will give him more titles
FF is great now
Secret Warriors is a top tier book now
They need to give him more stuff to handle
ya like when was the last time FF was good before millar and hickman? uhhhh?
^Mark Waid?
Wow that looks awesome. And yeah the Mark Waid run was great. People should track that down.
The only Mark Waid scripted book that I’ve read & re-reading because it’s good is Kingdom Come.I’ve heard his Fantastic Four run is pretty good though
So, I took a massive break from comics when they turned Spider-man into a weekly bullshit book and I’ve been considering trying a few different books out but… how’s Spidey these days?
Not that it needed to but reading the Punisher annual reminded me why he’s one of the few actual heroes in Marvel Comics and why I hate Spider-Man and guys like him.
I wonder just how many people Spider-Man has “inadvertently” killed by not taking out guys such as Carnage,Dr. Octopus, Green Goblin/Harry Osborn/Iron Patriot. Hundreds? Thousands?
On the other hand bad people who come across the Punisher (for the most part) are dealt with permanently. It doesn’t mean that evil will go away but that person slain by the Punisher will never commit an evil act again.
I get that for monetary reasons Marvel’s not going to kill off many or any of Spider-Man’s (or most super heroes for that matter) Rogues’ gallery. I just find the idea however that people like the Punisher are considered wrong or psychopathic while Spider-Man in comparison is a hero to be ridiculous. It’s also pretty hypocritical when vigilantes like Spider-Man and Daredevil call out the Punisher for operating outside of the law.
Eh, its inconsistent. It comes out 3x a month, and each story arc has a different creative team. The writers are Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Van Lente, Kelly, and a few more I forget.
How LONG have you been out of Spidey comics anyway? You do know about OMD right?
Also, I know Spidey doesn’t kill cause of the whole “great power/responsibility” stuff, and a big part of his character(well, before OMD/BND anyway) was his morals. Consistent in his relationships with women, selflessly putting his own life on the line to save others, never had a sip of alcohol touch his lips. He was a boy scout ya know.
With someone like Murdock, its a lot more probable for him to turn to killing, and thats what makes it so much fun to see him get near the edge. He’s not afraid to torture, hell he fucking CRIPPLED The Owl with a sword recently in DD #500. But despite everything he’s lost in his life, he never kills. Maybe its because he’s a lawyer and he believes in the system despite all its flaws. Maybe its something deeper.
I remember one DD story where Murdock was in jail, and after finding out his best fiend Foggy got stabbed(and presumed killed) thanks to the Kingpin, he was seriously considered killing him. Murdock has snapped, causing a “wave of violence” throughout the jail. Frank Castle gets himself thrown into jail with Murdock. Interesting conversation they had.
Frank: Heard you were creating a “wave of violence”.
Matt: You decided to join in?
Frank: I wouldn’t want to miss out on all that action. Plus, I don’t wanna miss out when you turn into me.
Matt: I’m not–
Frank: like me. You’ve been saying that line for years, and what has gotten you? Just about everyone you ever cared about is dead.
A convict provokes Frank, which causes him to rip him apart, and is about to snap his neck with Murdock steps in.
Matt: Stop Frank…you’ll kill him.
Frank: You see? An’I thought you didn’t give a damn anymore.
Later he helps Matt escape in a helicopter. Matt thanks him, for everything.
Frank: You’re hurtin’ a lot right now Murdock, and for good reason. But you don’t want to be me. You needed to remember that.
Murdock is probably the closet thing Frank Castle actually has to any friends, and I always admired that he didn’t want him go down the same path he does. Once you become a murderer, theres no going back.
^Matt being Frank’s closest friend is kinda funny seeing how Frank treated him during Ennis’ first run on Punisher.
Did anyone here get a chance to read that overpriced comic Spin Angels 2 or Strange Tales 2? And if so, was it worth it?
Spin angels started out slow in the first issue and there shouldn’t be a mature content advisory on the cover 
, but it had some of the most vibrant inks I’ve seen and NO fuckin’ ads.
Strange Tales 1 was wildly inconsistent and was like a MAD magazine. Would’ve been awesome if Marvel were to make some adult humor with their characters.
Hulk’s story was 
Great post. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not for wanton killing. I believe that the only time a life should be taken is when it’s for saving the life of others. I just think there are certain guys who just need to get put down. Sure Daredevil crippled the Owl but he did the same thing to Bullseye and while he was gone for years he eventually came back and killed more innocent people. A lot more people would be alive in Marvel Comics if Daredevil found it in himself to finally put down Bullseye similar to what Wolverine did to Sabretooth. I don’t really see the downside to this.
I could see why a Daredevil wouldn’t want to kill though. He could be really good at it being a ninja master and all. Elektra and Bullzeye are two of the most ruthless murdering characters in Marvel and Daredevil takes them out without having to resort to extreme tactics. Could you imagine what would happen if he didn’t have such restrictions. I’d hope he be wise about it but I’d have my doubts.
The Punisher is an extreme case. Even before his family was killed he was a little off. It’s almost like he was waiting for that to happen so he could become the Punisher. I still wouldn’t call him a murderer though. More likely an assassin or an
There are other heroes who have killed in extreme cases and weren’t worse off for it. Thor,Iron Man,Captain America,Storm,Colossus,Havok, and Black Panther are some of the noblest heroes in Marvel Comics and even they’ve killed when they’ve had to. When something they care about is being threatened to the point where that threat cannot be reasoned with extreme actions must be taken. If that extreme action leads to the total elimination of said threat then so be it.
Spider-Man claims to be a proponent of being responsible with power but he’s been anything but that in his history. He should realize that with his great power he is held responsible when he could have acted in a way that could save many more lives in the long-term than the few, if any in the short term by killing a super-villain.
Maybe it’s the pragmatist in me but it’s basically a simple concept. If you’re a bad guy you get taken out. A superhero killing a supervillain is no different to me then a cop, a soldier, or someone just protecting his home from his family killing someone to save lives. Surely those people would be considered heroes so why is it so different for so-called superheroes. Does them failing to take permanent action mean that they’re better than “regular folk”? I for one certainly hope that isn’t the case.
I definitely agree with that. It goes back to that timeless argument of “Why doesn’t Batman just KILL the Joker” I mean, the Joker always escapes, he always tortures, maims, and kills people, but Batman holds fast to some kind of ideal. Now obviously the REAL reason is because DC/Marvel wants to make money off its cast of characters, but in the fictional world, its a bit more difficult to come up with an answer.
I mean, its not like killing someone stops you from being a hero. John McClane kills over a dozen terrorists in Die Hard, but he still comes out looking like a national hero. Indiana Jones doesn’t have the excuse of being a cop like John, he’s just some guy who happens to run into the Nazis. He shoots, beats, and kills his way through dozens of them, but nobody gets upset because A) Indiana Jones is awesome and B) They’re Nazis. They’re fucking evil.
So nobody should get upset if Superman decides, “Ya know what? Bump THIS shit” and punches Bizarro’s head off. Of course, this might lead into the whole “Superheroes take over the world” stuff like in the Justice League cartoon, but hey at least you don’t have Bizarro screwing the world up whenever he feels like. Its not to say they DON’T save lives; Sensation Spider-man #40 had God show Spidey that despite all the tragedies in his life, he has saved millions of lives throughout his career, but they could save MORE.
I think ever since The Authority showed a super team who wasn’t afraid to kill, the Marvel/DC have been trying to counter that with reasons. Some of those have led to some very entertaining comics, like CLint’s fave Superman story(and one of mine as well) Action Comics 775 “Whats so Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?” The Elite is an Authority analog who are sick of freaks like the Joker killing folks, and they’re ready to do the same. Superman defeats them, but he doesn’t cross the line. As the leader is taken away, he says that Supes is living a dream if you think this is over.
“You know what, Black…? I wouldn’t have it any other way. Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul I swear… until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice becomes the reality we all share… I’ll never stop fighting. Ever.”
Cheesy and melodramatic? Sure. Great representation of everything Superman stands for? I thought it was.
Theres an inherent silliness in the superhero comic genre, and why I do agree thats its pretty odd that they let supervillians live, I do like the guys like Spidey and Superman have morals and fight for what they believe in.
Spider-Man has killed before, albeit by mistake. This happened during the Spider-man and Wolverine crossover back in the late 80s I believe. Wolverine’s girlfriend was suicidal and Spider-Man jumped in to stop Wolvie from killing her. He was punching Wolverine in the face full strength and in the middle of Spidey pounding on him, the woman patted Spider-Man on the shoulder. She figured that during Spidey’s rage he’d punch her in the face and grant her wish of wanting to kill herself. And he did, he bashed her skull in.
At the NY comic convention earlier this year Dan Slott said it was one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all time in his opinion, because he felt Spider-Man should never kill, even if it was by mistake.
As a story I didn’t have much of a problem with it. Spider-Man replaying the image of killing the woman over and over in his head was great. It added to the guilt he always feels over everything.
Not that I’d want to see Spider-Man become a murdering vigilante or anything. I don’t think killing villains fits his character. The few times he’s been written dark, like when he first got the black and white costume (originally that was an attempt to make him more like Batman, the symbiote infecting his mind and all of that came later) or at times during the recent Back in Black story it did upset me. I still liked JMS’ Back in Black tale and everything. The image that upset me the most was when he stopped Aunt May’s shooter by throwing a car at him, which could kill that person on the spot. I get that Aunt May is like his mother but it still upset me to see it.
I LOL’d at that moment. I was like “Shit just got serious, nigga threw a jeep!” Of course, the best part was when he went to fight Kingpin. “I’m not gonna kill you” takes off mask and the top half of his suit to appear as Peter Parker “***I *** am”
You’re right. He’s a coward who won’t use his power to take responsibility for making actual change in the Marvel Universe. He can keep cracking stupid jokes and acting all naive while the real heroes (Cyclops,Punisher,etc.) do the actual dirty work.