The figure I saw was a little over 20K but I’m not sure what’s the point of getting into a ‘what ___ website said’ discussion when you can still round it off to 20K if you want. Or even 25K, which is still on the low side honestly. All of those are books that can be cut at any time really.
Captain Britain survives because it sells well in the UK supposedly (and the first TPB did really well for Marvel). Less than 30K is still bad - for Marvel - and whenever things are at that point, sales tend to drop and not increase. Still CB is a problematic book, if someone wanted to get rid of it based on it pulling 18K by the numbers they could easily. Online fan support has helped that book a lot so I’m sure it will stick around for a while.
Everything gets a bump during a crossover, which is why Marvel and DC do so many.
At no point did I say anything about Iron Fist was getting canceled, I don’t know anything about that. It’s not selling that well compared to other Marvel books. That’s all I was saying really.
Not everybody knows about Red Skull, and I only read it cuz of Coipel’s art but was blown away by the awesomeness of Johns’ writing, heck I never even noticed the anagram until the reveal.
Not everyone is a Comic Book Guy like you, good sir
BTW what series ARE coming out this week from Marvel besides the reprints?
Not only that, but theres also God Bru’s Daredevil, HitLar’s Ultimates and now Whedon/Cassaday’s Astonishing X-men Omnibuses! I can hear my wallet crying already, although I love these four runs to an almost unhealthy amount.
Sano: Sorry if my post came off in a “matter-of-fact” kinda way, I know 20k still sucks for a Marvel book, I was just wondering why IFF would get cancelled and why books that were selling even less were still getting produced, thats all. Either way, its all for naught because God Bru came out on Twitter and said the book isn’t actually cancelled.
No reason to apologize. I wasn’t offended and if I sounded that way, I apologize. So long as I’m talking about comics at my job when I’m supposed to be working I tend to be happy as a clam.
There are lots of factors other than sales that determine books staying on and getting canned. Sometimes there’s heavy fan support, sometimes the personal subscriptions (not accounted for by Diamond) are really high and that makes up for things. And other times there are books that the companies don’t really expect to sell that much in the first place but they figure they reach a ‘niche’ audience, and it gets them in the store so they can buy some of the bigger books like New Avengers and so on.
On the flip side, there are times when there are books that editorial does not like and they will either do away with it if the numbers are low or just change / revamp it into a book that they like.
I really don’t know anything about Iron Fist’s situation, but it has lots of fans and online support. Plus it’s good. It will probably be around for some time. :nunchuck:
Ya how when you go to Wikipedia, and one thing leads to another, and eventually you end up somewhere completely different? Well, somehow I got to Jeph Loeb’s page. I looked over all his work, and noticed that it seems for just about every single book he did, he has a great artist with him. Tim Sale, Jim Lee, David Finch; some real masters of the field, even though his writing is really ham-fisted and most of the time really shitty. So, I was wondering…what would happen if he got a crappy artist on his team.
Jeph Loeb and Rob Liefield
I think the combined shittiness would cause the comic industry to implode…again.
So I’m reading E for Extinction and…damn even though it was a handful of pages, you just FEEL the sorrow and despair of seeing the death of 16 mil. mutants.
Oh and this arc should’ve been 4-5 issues long, some stuff happen WAY too fast in it.
Also did the first part have Beast as a feline but not having this change explained until later on with the 2ndary mutation thing?
I think thats the main problem with E for Extinction; it has so many crazy ideas but its all thrown at you at the same time. Nano-sentials, Cassandra Nova, twin sisters, Genova’s destruction, etc. And some of the ideas were completely terrible(Ruby Quarts contact lens? Wolverine growing back his arm in 15 seconds was completely fucking stupid). And for the most part, I felt the same way about Morrison’s New X-men run the same way I did about his Batman run; they feel like Morrison stories that just so happen to have the X-men characters in them. He’s still a fantastic writer, with almost every line having some other meaning, but I still only like a couple story arcs here and there(Riot at Xavier’s, Planet X).
Speaking of X-men, you guys of course heard about this X-men Forever right? Where Claremont takes over from X-men #3 back in the early 90s? I picked up one of the original X-men vol.2 #1, dear lord I felt like the constant wave of exposition/thought bubbles/captions were about to jump off the page and attack me. It should have just been a simple, fun superhero book: You got the X-men being reintroduced with a really cool training sequence, Magneto attacks Earth, then the X-men go to Asteroid M, fight scene, big cool “You dreamt of the Holocaust, but I survived it speech”, giant explosion, and everyone goes home. Plus, you got Jim Lee’s incredibly awesome pencils with(in my mind) the definitive outfits for everybody. Unfortunately its ruined by Claremont’s god-awful overwritten “storytelling” abilities.
And this doesn’t even have the benefit of Jim Lee! This is gonna be ass in a hat.
Oh shit! I can relive elementary school again, this is so cool man, cowabunga!
What’s Ron Lim doing these days? Let’s throw him in the mix too, get all my favourite childhood comic book memories together in one convenient package.
I’m not even sarcastic right now, that’s what’s scary about it.
Pretty cool issue! Spidey re-reveals his identity to the Avengers since Joefisto made everyone forget before. I wonder what the hell they remember when married Peter Parker and MJ where living in the Avengers Tower? Oh well don’t think about it… :looney: It was nice to see Wiccan again.
X-Men Forever - I’ll give it a shot but I don’t have high hopes. Claremont left X-Men way back when because he wanted to make Wolverine a spy for bad guys but Marvel said no. Might be interesting but probably won’t be, if Claremont does that anyway. It will be nice to see Ninja Slut Psylocke in the old suit. Hey I wonder if Claremontinuity Spider-Man is still married? :looney:
E Is for Extinction is everything great about the X-Men summed up in 3 issues. None of the ideas were terrible. They were just new ideas that, for some reason or other (probably due to a long parade of lesser writers), no one ever thought of before.
New X-Men is probably one of the most straightforward and simple-to-understand stories Morrison’s ever written, after WE3 or Kill Your Boyfriend. I definitely don’t think it’s a “typical” Morrison story that just so happens to feature the X-Men. The writing is in his style, certainly; but it’s not really prototypical of any of his works. The “typical” Morrison story is far more sprawling and ambitious.
Now, The Filth, that’s quintessential Morrison.
Don’t even get me started on this X-Men Forever nonsense. Those early '90s Jim Lee X-Mens are unreadable. I liked his art when I was like 10 years old, but unless he actually draws from a good script, I don’t even wanna look at it. I can’t stand those '90s X-Men outfits. Cyclops looks like a tool with that yellow strap across his body.
Sano, if you know X-Men Forever is gonna suck, why even bother giving it a shot? You’re just encouraging them. You buying that one extra copy of the first issue is going to allow them to prolong the inevitable… Instead of being canceled at issue 8, they might make it to 9.
I think our next Pool should be How Many Issues Will X-Men Forever Last?.
Honestly I don’t mind Claremont as much as most of you guys do, used to him I guess. It’s just his newer stuff gets boring after a while to me lately. Claremont is Claremont, it’s not like he ever does something that makes me angry, like say, Loeb killing Sabretooth in the most pathetic way ever… :sad:
Though yeah he did a lot for X-Men, team books and Marvel comics in general. If he gets another book that doesn’t effect continuity then I really don’t have problems with it.
Yeah, I really just want to see Ninja Slut Psylocke again…but if it’s not by Jim Lee then there might not be a point to it. As usual, my memories and sentiment for those comics very likely do not match what acutally happened in reality.
Cyclops has always looked like a huge douche, so that never really bothered me. I think returning to the skullcap was a good move in Astonishing though, that glorious wild untamed mane of wild hair just doesn’t seem right for such a square. And Magneto was really hitting the steroids HARD back then, that was kind of weird. And I still have no idea how Gambit’s trenchcoat over pink and blue body armour thing worked out making him one of the most popular X-Men ever.
Rogue’s bomber jacket, Psylocke’s slut uniform, and Storm’s white costume with the completely impractical loopy things off the wrists were fantastic ideas though, probably the greatest things that run brought to the X-Men lithos.
E For Extinction gets better everytime I read it, and I remember really not liking it that much when it first came out. I think that might have just been me getting over the shock of seeing Frank Quitely’s art for the first time, and not understanding why the White Queen was supposed to be this big comic book sexpot, when Quitely’s early versions of her had bee sting allegery lips and the distended stomach of an Ethopian child.
I remember reading this book and wondering “Where are all the thought bubbles and captions? I need the characters to tell me explicitly what they are doing on-panel, this narrative is moving to fast for me!”
New X-Men has been the only run of non-Astonishing X-books I’ve read since like 1991 - nothing else really seemed worth the time.
Too bad it ended so horribly, with all that editorial Xorn/Magneto nonsense and that absolutely insane Silvestri story at the end. Not really the optimal way to end a run like that.
