March 10th and 11th, 2007 (FINALROUND)X "10th year of a southern tradition"

ECC 11 was half console and half arcade and that ran extremely fucking well so I don’t see what ‘uniformity’ has to do with anything. If it takes nine hours to finish up 3S and you’re NOT getting numbers for it akin to EVO then something’s gotta change.

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Wooo! Good shit Larry, thanks.

<-Also do MM in NGBC. Dark Geese whattup? :karate:

Yo deal Cajunstrike!!!

Let’s do this man!

Yeah Shinblankax if the person cannot Do an AB Roll by pressing AB instead of R2 then there is a problem!!! :rofl:

I know you figured out how to “Shoulder Lean in NGBC” right Cajunstrike?? What I call the NGBC Wavedash???

:lol:

Seems like things are beginning to heat up about the console/ arcade decision. Doesn’t matter to me, I’m just coming down to enjoy all the great competition that’s going to be there.

FOOLISH FLESH CREATURES!! I, The Deity, accepts ALL money matches…TO KEEP I AMUSED! (evil laughs)

shinblanka, will you PLEASE have a Super Puzzle Fighter tournament? ALOT of people play that game and it IS the most popular puzzle game, with Magical Drop 3 comin’ in a very close 2nd. Come on, I KNOW you can make it happen…I, The Deity, knows ALL. (evil laughs)

Arcade damnit. Get used to the set ups.

I know we have 4 months and a week until FRX, but I thought most of the people in the south would have pre-reg already. That’s why I started this thread so early. This was plenty of notice IMO. I don’t want to hear you don’t have the money. There was 7 months of advance when I posted this thread and there’s still 4 months left. You can save $1 a day and have plenty of money to attend FRX.

Larry, what is the sign up list looking like?

I guess shinblanka is ingoring a Super Puzzle Fighter tournament, though I still highly recommend that you have this tournament. It’ll be a great turn-out, don’t leave us puzzlers in the dark. (evil laughs)

I dont have PayPal so thats why I can’t prepay.

But I am preregistering for it now.

Which games are you willing to par-take within for money matches. I’m willing to do it within 3rd strike and cvs2 if your interested.

I’m up for CvS2/3s money matches.

Just to re-address the issue:

There really is no “arcade vs console” debate anymore. The national tournament of the USA, Evolution, has recognized that console is the only fair way to throw a major tournament. Running a tournament on arcade cabinets and then trying to say it’s fair is completely incorrect and one-sided. If you have an arcade with cabinets, you will do better in tournament than someone who is used to playing on console. Period. There are way too many factors (style of buttons, style of joystick, height of the controls, speed/changes in gameplay, etc.) that factor in.

By having an all-arcade event, you are giving the 1-5% of players who still have cabinets to play on an unfair advantage. The vast majority of fighting gamers play on console and console alone, because arcades are dead nationwide except for a very select few places. There is no debate here at all, these are stone cold facts.

Now I am not trying to take anything away from Final Round at all. I had a great time last year, even though a lot of the events were on cabinet. But I think that having people coming in here and demanding arcade and saying it’s more fair and balanced is just insane. Please move to somewhere where arcades are dead (i.e. 98% of the USA) and then try to tell me it’s fair when you start parrying too early, or you start missing moves and blocks at crucial times, because you’re playing arcade and not on your own joystick.

could’nt have said it any better myself:tup: i agree with dsp.it’s just better to do it on console neways that way ppl can play on their own shit and not bitch bout ur loss cause the sticks were off or wutever.if u loose when playing on ur own stick then u just lost… plain and simple.

yea…just make it an all console tournament, BYOS (bring your own stick), if people have the arcade stick for their console then let em use it…if people wanna use their xbox controller, let em use it. dont just force them to use an arcade cab…if you put 3s on console, i’ll def be at this tourney

Does everyone forget about the blue screen DQ of death on the dreamcast or the superghetto homemade stick that shortout the entire console?:rolleyes: :confused: Or there’s the my TV is too small to play on or this TV makes the game look pixel fighter if it’s a HDTV. I’ve heard it all for arcades tournaments and console tournaments. There are problems with both ways of running tournament IMO. 1st and formost THERE IS NO CORRECT/BETTER WAY TO RUN A TOURNAMENT! No one way is better than the other IMO.:wgrin:

Arcade tournaments are not better than console and vice versa. I say use what you have and if you have the arcade perfect version of a game IMO you should use it if you can. FinalRound is the original “console warrior” tournament. That’s where the term came from and I fought like hell for console tournaments to get the respect they deserve, but I also understand we can’t forget where it all started from.

I understand eveyone points on console vs. arcade, but I started FR as a console tournament only and didn’t gain the respect around the community as a legit major until we got the health mixture of arcade machines and console games. I want to duplicate the old school arcade feeling for tournaments and share that with the younger generation that never got a chance to play in the golden years of arcade scene. I live in the 98% that DSP spoke of that doesn’t have an arcade scene and I truely understand his points, but in the same vein I don’t want to forget the roots, fundamentals, general feel that only an arcade type tournament can bring.

I know that EVO is the standard that everyone should strive for, but with all due respect to everyone that runs evo (“I can’t and won’t be a cookie cutter version of their tournament”). They worked too hard to have someone try to X-copy their shit and try to call it some other name besides evo. This is not a diss, so I don’t want anyone running back to the cannons or wiz or anyone in charge of running evo saying that shinblanka was dissing evo and the way it’s run. Far from that people. I respect the hell out of all of those guys for the things they do for the people and a slowly dying fighting game scene, because IMO if there wasn’t any EVO the fighting game scene would be gone the way of the DODO bird in the usa as we know it today.

FRX is only a tournament while EVO is more of a convention for all of the people in the USA and all around the world with the same hobby as me with the biggest tournament in the world as the main draw. It’s much more than a tournament IMO. It’s a social gathering of people from different backgrounds, colors, and creeds to meet and compete against someone with the same interest as them. I know every tournament usually takes it’s lead from evo with rulings and games played at majors, but ultimately it’s up to the other major organizers to define how his or her tournament should played what game should be played and what is the general mode/feeling you want to give your tournament that year.

I CHOOSE TO TRY TO KEEP THE FEEL OF FRX TO AN OLDSCHOOL ARCADE STYLE TOURNAMENT!!! With a health mixture of consoles and arcade cabinets!

That’s what I was raised up on and that’s the gift I want to give to the younger generation of fighters. I personally don’t want to let the arcade/interaction part of tournaments go. I see a future for fighting game tournament and it heading to online majors. The interaction with people will be gone and when that happens the best thing about tournaments will be dead. I don’t know what it is or can’t put my finger on it, but there’s something about playing your foe on a cab that brings the best and worst out of players.

What get’s the blood flowing more than beating your foe walking away from the cab? Or throwing your hand up and turning your back away from a foe that has said he was better than you online on SRK or the fanboys looking over his shoulder over their favorite players match. Or a massive crowd around the main cabinet for the grand final match up. The energy in that setting can’t be matched IMO, and that’s what I want to try to capture at each Final Round. I hope you guy’s understand what and why i’m having some games cab’s and some console. I hope it won’t detour you from attending this years event, but if it does I totally understand.:sweat:

quoted for truth.

larry, why not have some sort of an exhibition for the cabinet games? 3S team tournament, ST invitational, A3 5v5, whatever. that way you retain the old school feeling without sacrificing the players’ performance in the main tournament that people have driven so far for and spent time and money to attend.

uniformity of controls by using console is very important. people always say that good players adapt, and that’s only true to a certain extent. good players adapt to tactics, not controls. a SAIII yun with shitty controls that he isn’t used to is screwed. that character is good because of the super, not his normals or anything else. or say a player isn’t used to hard springs in sticks, his crouch cancelling in A3 will be off. or ST and different gates in the sticks. all scenarios negatively affect the player that isn’t used to arcade controls that he isn’t used to because he doesn’t have an arcade around him.

whenever top players travelled to japan, they would often complain about the STICKS, not that they got destroyed and completely outplayed although that may be the case. for example, i remember reading john choi got beat by some cvs2 nakoruru player when he went over for SBO and he had serious issues with the sticks. basically, console tournaments allow the player to play without excuses at their maximum ability.

and yea, the blue screen of death USED to be a big problem, but people have gotten used to dealing with it by now. and just tell people, no HDTV’s or TV’s under a certain size. that also solves that problem. you can fix small things like that, but you can’t fix muscle memory associated with hours of practice and playing on console.

peace

EDIT- hell, if cvs2 was on arcade, i wouldn’t even come to be completely honest. missing complex CC’s because of different american sticks is very frustrating. luckily i don’t play yun in 3S religiously…

i really can see both sides of the argument, but the bottom line is…certain games are on console at final round, if you really have a gripe with this, then i guess you can either stay home, or get 38th instead of the 32nd place you might’ve got on console.

this is a little harsh, but I only say this because i notice the people doing most of the complaining have no shot at placing in anything regardless.

The two games I have a good shot at doing well in, ST and 3s, are supposedly both going to be on arcade instead of console. Keep in mind, this is after years of everybody playing 3s on PS2 since it came out in Anniversary Collection, and after everybody will be playing ST on PS2 after it comes out in November. So for you to say it’s not going to effect anyone is pretty incorrect. It will effect everyone who plays on console regularly, regardless of how good they are, and if they choose to post.

I respect the staff of Final Round and ultimately, it’s their tournament, and they have the last say in whatever will happen. But you also have to realize that in 2006, putting a Street Fighter tournament on arcade cabinets is behind the times, and it’s going to lessen the meaning of anything that happens on those cabinets. Last year, I had issues with 3s on those cabs, but I wasn’t taking the game seriously at that time. This year, I AM trying to take 3s very seriously, and I’m going to get very frustrated if I lose to sticks/buttons that don’t react like my Hori stick, or a game speed setting thats significantly slower than what I’m used to.

For someone to say these issues aren’t important is absurd. At ECC, the tournament I RAN, I forfeit in ST after losing first round to a perfect 360 joystick that refused to block down-back. Keep in mind, I probably could have won the entire tournament if I played hard enough. But after that first bullshit loss, I knew there was absolutely no point in continuing on in a tournament being held on sub-par conditions. No disrespect to the placers at that event either, because they stuck it out when I didn’t, but you can see how important an effect controls can have on an entire tournament.

The bottom line is, regardless of what controls any game is held on at Final Round, I will try to make the effort to get out there anyway, because 1. I support the scene and what you guys are doing and 2. I had a lot of fun last year and would love to come back. You guys were very hospitable. But the fact is, having a “major” on arcade cabinets at this point pretty much makes it hard for seriously competitive SF gamers to take the results seriously.

(evil laughs)

FOOLISH FLESH CREATURES!! I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…there SHOULD be a Super Puzzle Fighter tournament at FRX. (evil laughs)