Makoto Ultra SFIV

[Shocky_II]

Makoto does not lose Ultra meter if U2 is stuffed during start up. Against Poison, delay hitting j.FP after EX Fukiage. You want j.FP to hit as you’re falling from the jump.

[NCK_Feroce]

Something is REALLY different with karakusa.

After s.HPxxHayate HP our beloved command grab connects without the mini-kara, do a simple HK Karakusa after it. Maybe the pushback of fierce Hayate is different, check it out.

[Noocta]

HK Karakusa always connected after HP Hayate on normal body characters

[gen]

Makoto does not lose Ultra meter if U2 is stuffed during start up. Against Poison, delay hitting j.FP after EX Fukiage. You want j.FP to hit as you’re falling from the jump.

I’ve lost ultra meter when I get stuffed on start up with ultra 2!

[NCK_Feroce]

HK Karakusa always connected after HP Hayate on normal body characters

Nope, you need to maintain forward to do so, that’s the mini kara-karakusa. Now connects even if you stay neutral after the HP Hayate.

[NCK_Feroce]

Makoto does not lose Ultra meter if U2 is stuffed during start up. Against Poison, delay hitting j.FP after EX Fukiage. You want j.FP to hit as you’re falling from the jump.

I’ve lost ultra meter when I get stuffed on start up with ultra 2!

Yeah, that’s happen to me also.

[veege]

Guys. SO MANY STUNS.

[therobin]

blackadde, want to crunch RFA combos for us because I’m too lazy?

n.HP -> s.HK -> RFA -> m.Tsurugi -> s.HP -> EX.Fuki -> n.HP

Probably a lot of new 4 bar super stun combos and mixups with RFA. If I had a console I would just start testing new stuff in the lab… guess I am really am too lazy to crunch the numbers…

[veege]

away from my console right now but will test it out myself, therobin.

and maybe someone with better execution can try the following:

meaty s.HK, s.HP x HC, s.MP x Hayate x RFA, m.Tsurugi, s.HP x EX.Fuki, n.HP

[Ace2aKing]

I don’t like what they did with the netcode. in the middle of a fight i’ll see a message saying waiting for other players. oh, and when it slows down it really slows down. I can’t seem to time my cr mk aa at all, either that or hurt/hit box been messed with?
seriously, you guys getting any trouble with cr mk?

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man I hate this shit, back throw fucking SUCKS! I try to tech, it wiffs, then I get thrown! YAY crapcom!

Try doing delayed tech instead.

[Ace2aKing]

I don’t like what they did with the netcode. in the middle of a fight i’ll see a message saying waiting for other players. oh, and when it slows down it really slows down. I can’t seem to time my cr mk aa at all, either that or hurt/hit box been messed with?
seriously, you guys getting any trouble with cr mk?

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man I hate this shit, back throw fucking SUCKS! I try to tech, it wiffs, then I get thrown! YAY crapcom!

This has been tolerable until earlier. A Balrog kept throwing out rush punches on me. Every single time he did it, the connection box would pop up as I was trying to poke him out of it. He hit me every time.

I do keep getting f.HP instead of EX.fuki, but I’m pretty positive that’s just me rushing it.

This has been screwing with me. Not used to the timing of having to press forward after a s.HP.

On a side note, has Poison been giving people problems after EX. Fukiage? She is pissing me off more than Elena right now when it comes to believing I should have hit her.

What do you guys think about her tier ranking? Is she bottom something? Top 15/20? Im picking her up again, but it’ll suck if it’ll be a struggle fest all the time lol

Makoto was one of the best in AE. It was still a struggle. I don’t see that changing too much. The only difference now is I believe we are rewarded a bit more than before for our risks. However, I still think other Risk/Reward characters get the better end of the stick in this system.

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I’ve been flat out disgracing Makoto in recent matches. I must be the only Makoto in hovering between #1-5 that’s so low on PP. Lol…I keep getting destroyed by Rolentos, Decapres, and Hugos. I also keep dropping crucial combos after Karakusa…which should end it. There are a few other character giving me trouble right now, but I should know how to play against them already.

Rolento had been giving me a lil trouble last night but I’m starting to figure him out, tsurugi blows up his wake-up options. He has good jump in buttons, cr mk has been getting stuffed our trading, gonna add his jump ins to the blanka/vega category

[veege]

blackadde, want to crunch RFA combos for us because I’m too lazy?

n.HP -> s.HK -> RFA -> m.Tsurugi -> s.HP -> EX.Fuki -> n.HP

Probably a lot of new 4 bar super stun combos and mixups with RFA. If I had a console I would just start testing new stuff in the lab… guess I am really am too lazy to crunch the numbers…

combo does 425dmg/869 stun

[DangerOnTheRanger]

Okay something is definitely changed about Karakusa. There is no way I should be having this much trouble getting Ultra to come out after it. I dunno what it is but something’s different.

Hm, I have no trouble landing it. Though I didn’t play her too much before.

What do you guys think about her tier ranking? Is she bottom something? Top 15/20? Im picking her up again, but it’ll suck if it’ll be a struggle fest all the time lol

She’s way better than she was before, in my opinion. EX Fuki was the biggest buff any character got in Ultra - 1 successful left/right/Karakusa/Tsurugi mixup after an EX Fuki reset and you pretty much just stunned the majority of the cast right then and there for maybe 2 bars. The only nerf she really got was the -3 on LK\MK Tsurugi, and people blew that way out of proportion; the only matchups the change really affects are the grapplers in my opinion, who you didn’t want to use the move on already anyway. DP’ing after a blocked Tsurugi in hopes of it being a LK or MK one is too much of a risk, especially considering the universal -5 DP FADC change. People also forget about the j. MK buff - having a decently reliable crossup adds another dimension to Makoto’s offense.

On top of that, Makoto was already primarily centered on continuing pressure after HP Hayate and from soft knockdowns off EX Tsurugi and EX Hayate. EX Oroshi and backthrow setups will suffer because of DWU, but due to EX Fuki and her poor defense I think DWU helps her a lot more than it hurts her.

She was already a top 15 character before. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her in the top 7 (or even higher) this time around.

[Torpid]

HK Karakusa always connected after HP Hayate on normal body characters

Nope, you need to maintain forward to do so, that’s the mini kara-karakusa. Now connects even if you stay neutral after the HP Hayate.

Actually, I’ll second what Noocta said. It did work in ae 2012. On some characters, if you did mk karakusa fast enough after st.hp xx hp hayate, you could catch them with that as well. Might be worth checking out in this version as well.

[NCK_Feroce]

That work on big boys in AE, now works even on “normal” characters,tested on Ryu.

[Torpid]

Here you go @feroce82. Done on PC Super ae 2012.

[Godly-Effect]

Against Poison for EX Fuki reset perhaps try delaying your jump cancel?

[NCK_Feroce]

Here you go @feroce82. Done on PC Super ae 2012.

video

Oh I see,I was wrong then.

[Honey_Power]

Has anyone else noticed how AMAZING the ex oroshi buff is?

It seems to hit juggled opponents about as well as an ex tsurugi, BUT you get a delicious hard knockdown, creating great opportunity for meaty setups.

So while our old corner combo of choice (ex hayate -> lp fuki -> ex tsurugi) still does the most damage, we now have the option of getting a hard knockdown in the corner instead. which I think we can all warmly welcome. Try a combo into ex fuki -> mp fuki -> ex oroshi in the corner and see how fresh that hard knockdown feels

Here’s a vid I made demonstrating it. Sorry for the potato.

[DangerOnTheRanger]

On that note, EX Hayate > LP Fukiage > EX Oroshi works now as well, though the timing felt a bit tight to me.

The main draw of this new ability is being able to run post-EX Oroshi setups in the corner without sacrificing a lot of damage, but with DWU I’m not certain how useful they’ll be.