Yeah we’ll lose some safejumps/meaty setups, but with the pay off a much better defense. Of course it really does depend on how it’s implemented. I’m looking forward too it anyway.
I’m betting on fixed frames tho.
Not being able to do meaty oroshi might be pretty significant in some match ups, like against Gouken or Juri. 
I love meaty oroshi, they’re just cool.
There’s always a work around.
Quite a few option selects will also disappear.
How I see it so far, the game is leaning towards more risky raw mix up kind of play. Need details.
How are Makoto forums NOT blowing up right now. Currently I’m wondering:
Is her old Ex.tsurugi back to use as a decent two hit armor break move. Currently floats too high to get the second hit to connect consistently.
Is her j.MK not garbage anymore?
Does her EX.fukiage still have a good backwards hit box to cross under opponents if it’s hitting grounded opponents. (Think crumple -> reset -> crossunder fukiage)
Any range change on her karakusa’s (Try EX and HK after HP.hayate on hit)
Throw invincibility on EX.oroshi?
What combos into EX.fukiage on the ground. f.LP? What’s EX.fukiage on block?
can you instant air tsurugi after jump canceled EX.fukiage?!
Any frame changes to oroshi. (Can you combo s.HP -> LP.oroshi)
We aren’t blowing up because there’s nothing we didn’t already know about.
Waiting for this guy, who will get his chance to test things in a week.
It seems that the FGC now know that makoto will be more deadly in USF4
- Ex tsurugi can be done like the instant air canon strike of cammy.
- jMK will stay garbage
- interesting idea the crossunder fukiage. We have to wait and we will see. technology will come.
- not needed (imo)
- it has to be … will full invicibility during startup
- if you can combo fLP into exFukiage, will you do it ? how can you hit confirm it ?
I’m so waiting for USF4 … and my X1 !!
Dang, when did people get so testy on Mak forums 
@Godly-Effect
Ex.fuki jump cancelable on block and delayed wake up being fixed duration are news to me.
@Kalote
The position of her on EX.tsurugi is different and not as useful as it used to be. I know you can normally do instant air tsurugi (does my post sound like I’m completely ignorant?) I was wondering if after a jump canceled EX.fuki on block you could still do IA.tsurugi as that seems like it would be very powerful
cr.LK, f.LP -> EX.fukiage would give us hit confirm off of a low…so yes I would use it…would you not?
Nah, sorry for my post : i wasn’t really awake (i don’t think i am fully awake now, but 3 coffees helps a lot).
I don’t think i would use crLK > fLP > EX fuki … but still, i’m pretty asleep so =/
c.lk, f.lp x ex fuki, fuki, ex tsurugi is going to do crazy damage… sounds almost broken! why wouldn’t you use it?
also, jump-cancel ex fuki off block into instant tsurugi/delayed tsurugi/cross-up/empty jump shenanigans… would it be legit?
what if you kara’d it from midscreen? depending on the invincibility properties of it, seems like it could be a cheap way to get in (for just an EX bar).
need to see footage like now!
Most people are saying ex fukiage hitting grounded opponents is too effective. Wouldn’t expect to see it in the release due to the backlash.
We already relied on super to be able to do max damage. We now have another way to spend more meter (which need more ex to get full damage). But we still have no cLK chainable or a better crossup with jump mk. My idea is that makoto 2013 is better than Makoto 2014 as it is now.
Hope they keep this buff. Or at least make EX Fuki hit grounded.
I think it being only EX Fukiage is fair. We spend a meter and get a good combo to use mid screen. It doesn’t devalue the use of Hayate. It gives a low confirm with meter. I just think it’s a good change overall that address a number of issues with the character.
Also, what’s the recovery on EX fukiage? Would it be possible to combo into U2 with it?
Man… EX Fuki into U2 would be pretty BA.
Changes so far:
- Better jump MK crossup
- crHK 200 stun
- EX fukiage hits grounded opponent
- EX fukiage has same speed. So combo from crLK is 2 hits
- Only EX fukiage is jump cancelable
- EX fukiage is jump cancelable on block too
- (not 100% sure on translation) +4 recovery frame on every whiffed karakusa
- backthrow range: 0.90 => 0.85
- forward throw range: 0.90 => 0.95
- ultra1 damage 480 => 440
- ultra2 goes through fireball (gouken)
- stHP hayate cancel is +5 against crouching opponent (was nerfed to +4 in AE2012)
Thats a really cool addition. So now if im fighting Juri, Gouken or Akuma, I dont have to worry about their different fireball arcs hitting me out the sky? This pleases me.
As for EX Fuki, I have a feeling it might not stay in the game. Its a pretty damn good buff and some may argue its too strong even though it costs meter. It could also give Makoto her own meter-reliant reset vortex. So c.lk > f.lp > EX Fuki > Jump.HP > air reset land shenanigans > karakusa, or hit confirm again into the same loop. Could be pretty scary. Im not against it, but wouldnt be surprised if it gets taken out. Also being able to Jump Cancel EX Fuki off block can lead to insane pressure if we jump cancel into mk.Tsurugi or maybe even instant over head EX Tsurugi. The possibilities for pressure are insane! Im both scared and excited!
need more info…
Why did they touch throw ranges oO
It’s not like we needed better forward throw range, since he have probably the 3rd best kara throw in the game. And delayed wake up is a big enough nerf to backthrow mix up anyway
Ah sorry. 