Funny thing is that I suggested EX karakusa cancels several days ago and didn’t really receive any notice. 
The motion for cancelling ex kara to ultra is going to be nigh-impossible though… hcb-kk ~ qcfqcf-ppp? yikes. Maybe only on reversal and with lots of luck, since that is a one, and first, frame cancel and all.
I agree. It’s been stated that large characters in particular cannot be grabbed by Karakusa after Hayate. Zangief and T.Hawk require kara-kara if you want to grab them again. I remember grabbing Dee-Jay with another karakusa after a hayate, no kara needed, mid-screen. I’ll be FINALLY getting a copy for myself tomorrow and will have plenty of time so I could conjure the complete list if needed.
I’ll try to work on the list when I get home tonight. I just dwell in training mode anyway, so I may as well do something productive. The costume pack with Makoto’s alt is in today (and DeeJay, too, which is epic). I hope there’s an color scheme reminiscent of 3s MP color.
I’m glad to see actual discussion going on and not Makaoto hate. You guys are restoring my faith.
Guy scares the crap out of me. Does anyone know what to do against him?
What in particular are you having trouble with?
Rushes me down like hell, I can’t do a single thing against him.
if guy flips i’d imagine you can backdash out of what he’s got, otherwise i think u gotta block if he uses his run
You can focus Guy’s slide and overhead kick (but the overhead kick has to have been done at max range, otherwise the two hits will get you). If he starts doing the throw, dash forward. His dropping elbow thing is Fukiage bait.
Make walls with standing mp, since that beats a lot of shit. Watch out for his standing mk, since it has decent range. Try to stay crouching, so the fierce hit of his bushin combo whiffs. This will open up punish abilities. Also, his tatsu is throw and low invincible. The ex version is basically entirely invincible. Watch out for those. Bait and punish accordingly. You can ALWAYS hit a blocked “tatsu” with c.mp xx mp hayate.
I’ll try and have my friend use Guy a bit more and study the match up. He was pretty free, but my buddy doesn’t know how to use him much. He only uses him for novelty (ninja with nikes for the win).
Also against guy if he likes to pressure you on wakeup with say run slide or run overhead kick, EX oroshi!
It has enough invincibility to basically shut down a lot of his pressure options, provided you don’t get baited and punished. When successful, you get a free untechable kd, and he gets very afraid to pressure you again!
K, so i am thoroughly convinced makoto is trash in this game. Just sayin’ i’ve invested a lot of time into her in the past few days and i think once people figure out how to zone her (with normals or projectiles) and exploit the fact that she cant walk she will be shat on by the majority of the cast. I could very well be wrong, but let it be known that the following tier list was prophesied by warahk on this day:
Tier List
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ass tier:
makoto
cool story, I like the part where you said zoned with projectiles and normals
You’re welcome. That part was to emphasize the fact that it seems that pretty much any character can zone makoto, it doesn’t need to be guile or dhalsim.
Id also like to play any LOCAL (im in socal so west coast) makoto players to see how she deals with proper zoning. Please send me a friend request on xbl. I just need to see what i’m not understanding.
It comes out tomorrow, give the rest of the world a chance to play her before you assign the Mak to ass tier.
I think people are trying to play her like 3s Makoto, which is a mistake. A lot of shit in 3s doesn’t apply in other games, and this just helps prove it.
Way to fail. “I played Makoto for 2 hours, can’t do any of her shit, don’t know any of her shit, and have thus decided to place her as the worst character in the game.” Get the fuck out of here with that weak shit. Go play Sagat or Dudley or something.
I have to agree fully.
I played her a TON during the past week, offline a lot too since I live in So Cal, and unless someone can find some crazy trick with her, I think she’s the worst in the game. No tools, in fact she has less than no tools, she lacks tools.
Breaks my heart of course because I was dead set on maining her, nothing could have changed my mind pre playing the game, but it just shattered my hopes when I played anyone who was decent and got either locked down on offense or defense.
SoCal’s been doing it all over the place.
Question, does Makoto’s FADC absorbing a fireball not work well, considering her large dash? Is the lag at the end so large that she eats another fireball?
I second this, i mean i was like those guys complaining about Gouken how capcome decided that he was to old for ssf4 and gave him weak bones and a walking stick, but although he is still crap Makoto isn’t i’m going to main her and show everyone wat leveling up to pro level can do with Makoto.
Btw don’t really know the amount of good shit these guys/girls have found out about her and i hope to evolve with them with Makoto.
I have invested more time into makoto than you assume. I have a reputation for my execution, her execution barrier is not why i think she sucks. I mained guile all through vanilla, and will continue to in super. I am not a tier whore.