Was the limited pay out really the reason the Japanese didn’t come out? From what I heard it was various other reasons like Mago not having a passport and it was during a holiday week for Japan. I don’t really think the Japanese care how many of them are able to place in money. If a Japanese makes first place I would assume based on their culture that they spread the wealth a bit amongst everyone that came with them. Least that’s what I heard happened in like 2k6 and 7 and that had top 8 payouts even with the sponsors. I’m sure Daigo kept most if not all of his money for himself this year since he only came out with himself, Dan and I guess Kuni technically counts.
That’s not what I was saying. I was saying its stupid to insist on paying more into a pot you have no chance of winning.
lol, I don’t trust this claim that all these other players didn’t come because of lack of payouts. It didn’t stop them in the past. Besides, SBO is for the best in the world.
Umm… Round-trip from Tokyo to Las Vegas (Booked 1 month in advance) at the cheapest rate is $685… Flight ONLY before tax, which doesn’t include how much a Hotel would cost, food&drink, etc… Sorry, but even with a $500 pay out, it wouldn’t be financially logical to bother coming.
It is not a real equation to think that with More Pay outs more Japanese players would show.
Top 8 should definitely be paid out, and then raise the entrance fee 5-10 bucks.
For the record, top 8 got payout for 2 years in a row at EVO(2k6 and 2k7)*. The reason why is because they had the Toyota sponsorship. If you want top 8 payout, then you’ll have to go beg these companies to sponsor these tournies. Plain and simple. It’s not easy to get sponsorship for fighting game tournies since it’s pretty niche here.
*I’m not sure if top 8 has always gotten payout before 2k6 and during the B series.
How about you give your extra 5-10 bucks to 4th place, and let everyone else pay a reasonable entrance fee.
I heard the passport reason for Mago, wherever I saw that also listed what I put down as a reason for more Japanese not coming. It was all on one of the EVO threads. I guess it’s all just hearsay, so perhaps that point isn’t as valid when you look at it like that. The holiday week thing I didn’t hear, but isn’t that when SBO is traditionally held, during a holiday week? And that’s really cool of the Japanese to do that, but I’m sure the money can only spread so far, and that kind of money won’t be able cover costs for a lot of them.
True, extending the payouts isn’t gonna help out much. The second part of that point was for raising the entry fee and in effect the pot for major tournaments, but who knows how much it would really take to make enough of a difference.
I must’ve read that the wrong way, I now understand. And yeah, I tried to make a point out of heresay, so in effect not that good of a point at all.
Snip.
Already did the palm to forehead thing, no need to be “that guy”. :tup:
OMG! I hate ‘THAT GUY’ !!! Screw that dude.
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Stupid internets…I can’t tell what to think about this comment.
Either way, I made a bad post, have acknowledged that it was a bad post and made really no good or useful point, I apologize for wasting everyone’s time…now let’s move on. :bgrin:
Top three is the way to be. Just my two cents.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I’m sure that wouldn’t change the outcome of the tourney at all.
And this ‘logic’ isn’t actually logic, so gj.
People keep saying this and there’s no real connection to the other points being brought up. Sorry if I think it’s silly to cater to the top 1% versus a slightly higher % when most other competitive games have that plan. Esp. when just a a few years ago FG tourney attendance was in the complete dumps with the exception of a few majors.
People can scream about doing better until the cows come home, but the fact is it’s a much more reasonable goal of making T8 or T4 and that’s an incentive for more people to come out in general. Maybe it wouldn’t be in the FG community (and personally I think it’d be pretty odd if it didn’t), but it’s worked for other tournament games.
Same w/ reasonable fee. What’s reasonable is rather subjective. All I’m saying in regards to this is people talking about having small prize pools, may have something to do with the fact that entrance fees are the equivalent to going to Starbucks. A movie is 10 bucks and kills about 2 hours of time. A tournament can last the entire day and give you the shot at winning something.
I doubt anyone in the thread has realistic expectations that the prize structure will change, but some of the posts in this thread seem bent on discouraging discussion in general. If it’s a bad idea, it’ll just die on it’s own, no need for people to keep bombing ‘it’s top 3, always will be top 3, top 3 works, i love the status quo, big brother is my friend, etc.’ That isn’t adding anything and since there’s a poll attached that’s already a way to get some feelers in general.
No aggro! Trust me. It’s just one of those catch phrases I sling around up here. I’ll play a Best of 3 casual, but soon as I lose, I stand up even if no one is waiting. I follow it up with “I’m not gonna be ‘THAT GUY’.”
Happy days.
That’s interesting, I didn’t know about that. I do know the early years were top 3 only.
One of the points I’m trying to make though, is that more places can be paid out without having sponsorship involved. When there are hundreds of people involved, the prize pools get big enough to be able to pay for the top 8 at least.
I understand that the prizes have to be attractive for top players to want to attend. I think this goal is not even close to being a problem right now - there are more players than ever, and first prizes in excess of $2700. There’s easily enough money available to spread around and still have top players show up… $1800 or so will do the job just as well.
People seem to be worried that if there aren’t huge amounts of money to be made, then all the top players would quit playing or something. That isn’t going to happen. Most of the current top players were travelling around attending major tournaments years ago, when the prizes were half the size.
The fear that top players will stop attending tournaments is overblown. How many competitive players who love SF and enjoy money are going to just sit at home and do nothing instead, just because there’s “only” $1200 profit to be made instead of $2000? They used to travel to try to win 70% of an 80-man prize pool, but somehow 50% of a 300-man prize pool is now not good enough?
But… why? I just want to know how it’s better for the tournament and better for the players to have fewer spots paid, fewer games being played with money on the line, less incentive for good players to try to become great players, and no reward for those who almost pull off that goal.
What benefit is outweighing all those negatives right now? Is putting a few hundred bucks more into the pockets of Justin and Marn and Valle really that beneficial to everyone?
4th place out of 300 people is not “doing okay”.
lol so going to a tournament is analogous to killing time? why even enter then?
for 300+ ppl tourney you can pay out top 8, but to me I’d rather top 3 win more and be more prestigious than having a grip of people get a prize. This is SF you should n’t even win anything under 1st place.
Please understand that 4th is doing fantastic out of 300 people. I think anyone will agree that even taking Top 16 in a tournament with 300 people would be awesome. Sadly, whoever got 4th (I’m guessing this is about Yeb at WCW) did a great job, but still not good enough to take home money. I’ll continue on below.
This word exactly. The prestige of being about to say “I was the 4th best player at Westcoast Warzone” is pretty impressive. Reputation to say the least and bragging rights is what everyone outside of the money gets to take with them as a prize, No one can take that away from them.
I’m tired of arguing this battle. I would just like to re-iterate that if you pay out to more than Top 3, you’ll be taking away from those that worked hard for their placement, taking away their prestige, and taking away their money.
I will retire from posting in here because all we are doing is going round in circles. No point in wasting time/keyboard strokes discussing the same thing for another 10 pages.