Some kind of tangible reward symbolizing that you got top 8 or top 16 in a major tourney is what I think most people here are hungry to obtain.
It doesn’t even have to be money. It could be something cool like an engraved TE stick or as cheap as a lousy T-shirt or baseball cap with the words “EVO 2009 Top 16 in SF4” or something.
Something like that would probably be better than money for most people. You’d be surprised at how far a little positive feedback can go to help keep people motivated - not to mention gloating and bragging rights at the local scenes.
Of course, it’s not the kind of glory or respect some of us would be satisfied with - especially if you know you were capable of winning the whole thing - but people gotta start somewhere.
People need attainable goals. Let them dream. The more people try, the sweeter the reward. And a higher payout for winning it all.
I think it would be nice if bigger tournaments had prizes for top 8 or 16, but that’s not really going to change much. It just lets the people who are really good but can’t make top 3 get a little something back for being consistently good.
In short, Gootecks will actually get paid once in awhile
I mean, I got 7th at Devastation and 13th at EVO, but I don’t feel like I earned anything… I want top 3. Keeping the money in the top 3 only is what’ll keep me motivated beyond my personal convictions.
I’m not even going to bother reading all of this but…Major tournaments should not pay out more than just top 3 unless its EVO.
I only say EVO because its a big international tournament so paying out to the top 8 I can see that. But any other major…why? If you want that money get top 3 then, simple as that.
Or do what ever other serious Marvel player does over the years…money match.
I never said it would dramatically affect the turnout, just that it would give all the players who aren’t at Justin’s level more of an incentive to improve their game.
I think the prize pool should have more of a purpose than only to attract as many players as possible. I think a small part of it should go to rewarding the players who practice hard and get really good, but just aren’t at the top-3 level yet. Making top 8 at a major tournament is no small accomplishment.
Haha, thanks. BTW I was looking for more Yeb videos on youtube and came across the matches you posted, it was interesting seeing the “before” version of him from months ago where he doesn’t quite have the timing on everything down yet.
Well, that’s kind of the idea. I think the tournament organizers probably just got used to the idea of top 3 and never put much thought into changing the payout structure. With enough talk and enough suggestions, the payouts CAN be changed.
Here’s the NEC thread, I think it would be helpful if people start suggesting a top 8 payout for that tournament and see if things can actually be changed.
One big issue I see is that some people can coast into the top 8 and get paid, while better players lose early, simply because of the brackets. Getting into the top 8 requires skill, especially when theres over 200 people in the tournament, but there is no way the top 8 are the 8 best players in that tournament. The top 3 are the best 3 in the tournament, so they deserve to get paid.
Now, it’s not a huge deal that the top 8 players aren’t the best 8 and they get paid, but it is something to take into consideration.
At WCW, they did seeded brackets which stalled the tournament for over 2 hours, something that is really impossible to become the standard unless we set up some sort of arbitrary rating committee like smash does (and ugh, anything to stay away from that system). This means good players will end up facing each other early, and may be shafted out of money even if they’re top 8 at the tournament.
That being said, making top 8 in a 256+ man tourney doesn’t happen through pure luck, but there is also a danger of spreading it too thin
Ready for some more neg rep, but i can’t help but say that everyone who thinks the money should be just to get the top players in is a friggin idiot. It’s like you’re saying to everyone who enters a tournament “hey you need to pay up 20 bucks for the pot…you’ve no chance of winning though, it’s all for justin and daigo, but that’s ok right? they’re top players and everyone wants to see em.”
I think that top 3 payout is fine. Fuck, they earned it. If tournament organizers want to make it a little more interesting for the rest, then they should seek sponsors who are willing to give away prizes and whatnot.
Why exactly? Most other games / competitions reward past the top 3 and this is w/o sponsors. I’ve always been amazed at the low entry fees people charge for FG events. Like really, is anyone not going to show up if they had to pay 12-15 bucks instead of 10? For CCG’s the lowest pay-in for real tourneys tends to be 15 and it only goes up from there.
There already is one big sponsor… the group of tournament players. I think those sponsors should have some say over what their money gets used on. There are a lot of positives and very few negatives to taking a small percentage out of the huge top prizes and giving a prize to the rest of the top 8. Because “fuck, they earned it” too.
Well… that would definitely be an effective way to increase the prize pool since most people would still pay, but I think it’s important to keep it affordable for as many players as possible. This is especially true for multi-game events (which a lot of them are these days).
If prices go up, there will be slightly fewer people playing in one tournament or another, and that’s not a good thing. The prize pools already get up to a pretty good size (enough to pay 8 or more), there’s no need to transfer even more money from the crowd to the skilled players.
That’s not a big issue, it’s just a fact of competition. Different people face different opponents in every tournament, there’s no way to give everyone a perfectly level playing ground. A top-3 caliber player at WCW could potentially have lost to Marn early, then had a bad character matchup vs Choi in the losers bracket and gone out in 32nd place. Luck has always been a slight factor, ask Valle who was one random blocked move away from taking 1st place.
$10 is a fairly recently development in the FG community, I remember most tournaments were more like $5.
You forget, the FG is notoriously cheap fuckers. If you doubled the entry fee from $10 to $20, you’d get double the cash, but I’d estimate about 25% less entries. Sure the net cash goes up, but at the cost of less people coming out, especially those who come out “for fun” or the spirit of the competition, and not expecting to win. Asking somebody to throw $30 (because of venue fees) when they expect to go 0-2 isn’t really pocket change, especially in this economy.
I think it should be top 8, but maybe the money decreases exponentially. This way the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th can at least pay for some gas/go to Carls JR.
