Honestly, I’d love to see say a top 5 payout. But it’s not always feasible. I think that instead of arguing about who gets paid what, why aren’t we figuring out ways to get sponsors for this?
I wish capcom would release at least a rough estimate of how many copies they sold of SF4, so we could go to a sponsor and throw that number of players at them. I’m aware that not every sale is a hardcore player that will go/participate in a tourney, but having some hard numbers is never a bad thing.
MadCatz would be a good sponsor, hell they’ve made bank on the sticks alone.
Mountain Dew seems to sponsor just about anything these days.
Triumvir, instead of making money off SF players, how about throwing some cash at us for a tourney. Hell, sling your gear at the event and make your investment back!
It takes a hell of a lot of hard work to make it to top 8 and I do think that at least the top 8 deserves some kind of reward. Top 8 out of 300 is seriously impressive, the top 8 matches were spectacular, these players deserve something.
Did you really have to make a topic about this? This crap is all over the WCW thread already. This topic isn’t going to get anything done that’s all I’m saying. it will soon be another SFIV spam thread and that’s all it’s going to amount to.
It’s relevant but it’s not going to change anything. We’re just talking just to talk and although we do that all the time…I just feel this isn’t going anywhere and will just be another controversial spam thread.
It was already discussed plenty in the WCW thread and now it’s just going to be another thread with a bunch of talk and nothing actually happening. Just the way tourneys are ran and I don’t see the payout changing unless a bunch of people go up in arms about this (that ain’t happening LOL) or tournament organizers change their minds (extra LULZ).
I totally agree…only paying top 3 is kinda ancient, especially when comparing it to every other kind of tournament that’s run. Obtaining a top 3 finish is really hard when you got godlike players at your tournaments…top 8 is at least feasible.
And also, lots of times im driving a few hours to tournaments, spending a bunch of money just to get like 6th and leave with nothing 'cept the experience. So if top 8 was getting paid on a regular basis it’d make it a lot easier/worthwhile to make it out to tournaments.
Prizes for more than the top three is a perfectly standard practice in other game tournaments (eg: CCGs such as M:TG and YuGiOh) so I can’t see why it would not apply for this particular genre.
I personally am always for no money prizes whatsoever. It’s a concept that always seems to ultimately create this “if you’re not going to win something, don’t go” attitude that makes tournament play the antithesis of playing for enjoyment. Playing for enjoyment means more people play and as such is better for the community.
Deviljin - it is everywhere in the WCW thread, but I doubt everyone reads that or is aware. As for it not changing anything, maybe a promoter is reading this (more highly exposed) thread and a lightbulb goes off, who knows.
Anyway, going beyond the top 3 is a good idea IF you have enough money. Personally, I don’t think the current pots are big enough to spread beyond the top 3.
Either way, if I am watching a tourney I don’t really care if all the “really good fringe players” are there. I want to see the best battling it out.
As for the Jap players not needing big pots…they don’t need to travel much either. Most live right there.
The pros will never go for this but the less than but close to pro level will. I think it’s a good idea. I’m not close to high level but it still gives me a glimmer of hope.
If you had a major with 128 people and you did $10 to pot, you could do:
1st, 70% of rest
2nd, 20% of rest
3rd, 10% of rest
4th, $100
tie for 5th, entrance fee
But honestly, anything less than 3rd place is just lucky bracket half the time. Taking out 2 entrance fees and $100 for 4th isn’t even a 15% reduction of the prize pot but gives people a lot of incentive imo.
I agree that payout should be based on the turnout. Personally, I always thought anything bigger than 32 should pay top 4 and anything bigger than 128 should pay top 8, smaller than 10 should be either top 2 or winner take all. When I first got into the scene, it was kinda hard to accept that I was basically gonna be giving the money away for a while without any real chance of making anything since I lacked the experience (5 or 10 bucks is really not a big deal though, definitely worth it in the end). I also had a hard time understanding the ridiculously skewed standard payout for 1st. I can understand making double what 2nd gets paid, but almost 4 times seemed (and still seems) a bit nuts.
In the end it’s all up to the TO and whatever they say is what stands, but making it through a field like EVO and only placing lower than 6 people in a tournament open to the world’s best that’s fought over a total of 3 days definitely warrants some money.
Side Note: I’d like to point to the WSOP for a little history in their tournaments. At the beginning, it was winner takes all for the main event which consisted of just 6 people and a few more that followed. Totally reasonable. As it got more and more popular and the field size expanded they started spreading it out amongst the top more and more, eventually to the current tournament standard of top 10 percent. Should we pay out that much? No way, not in a short format standard tournament. Should we think about extending the payouts? With the huge crowds being drawn and the amount of skill required to get to top 8, it’s definitely a good idea.
Before this can happen, the price of buy-in must increase. If people are willing to travel, spend money on hotels and food etc, why is everyone afraid to charge more than $10 for a MAJOR tournament. I meant even increasing to $20 increases the pot huge, and how many people are honestly going to be on the fence over $10? Thats the price of a lunch.
But the same people complaining about wanting more spots paid out will likely be the same to complain about price increases. I think this is mostly applicable to major tourneys, local tourneys, 10 bucks is usually fine since theyre smaller and a lot more random players enter. But I think a major tourney should experiment with increasing the price of each game.
$20 for a major tourney (EC, West Coast, etc) sounds good to me.
Simple sponsorship, like a MadCatz sticks/pads, Logitech mice, turlte Beach headphones, are great alternative to giving out cash prices. It is cheaper at the end but can be as quite valuable as you don’t need to shave the top as much.
