LOL. I’m sure Mike Ross was joking about the 10-0 but I’m certain that’s in Rog’s favor.
LOL also at all the great Blanka players (4) being in one arcade. The hype’s been lost for Blanka.
So that means there’s 9 other crazy rape Blankas out there. Good lord at the 2 Claw players. I like them for winning Evo next year.
Randomly if you were to turn that list into a tier list (which isn’t accurate at all IMO) Chun Li is like the 6th best character. GDLK.
Like tier wise there should be quite a few more hella BP Dictators but he doesn’t have anything about him that other charcters can’t do better. I think people just aren’t using/winning with him specifically based on a lack of interest standpoint. Similar to Rog…there’s not enough hype for Rog in Japan compared to the US where he is arguably top 3 or 4 character in the US.
I noticed that too. His got good decent representation at SBO as well. I dunno… I’ve always maintained that Blanka was a solid mid-tier character based on the data alone even though many in the Blanka forum place him lower. I must admit though, I definitely share their sentiments about his flaws. Maybe it’s the same sort of thing with American Sagats vs Japanese Sagats? Maybe high-level Blanka strategy is completely different to anything below it. I’m not seeing it though. But then again I never get to play high level competition anyway.
Overall that is just based on people who play Blanka enough to gain that many BP with him. It doesn’t mean they aren’t working mad hard for their wins and I’m sure there are many more good Sagats and Ryus that don’t use the BP card system to put themselves in the statistical spotlight. Blanka needs very high level play to make up for his issues and that’s why he is where he is. Just on tools he ain’t all that hot.
I wish people would stop rating players off the damn BP system. That is based on time played, period. Sure the players who have more skill get there faster, but thats it. Its the same as ranking people online by their points.
One thing that?s sort of tricky/deceptive about arcade BP though is that it doesn?t discriminate at all. In ranked on console, if someone with way more BP than you beats you, you only lose 1 point. In arcade, you can take your 20,000BP up against Mago?s 200,000BP and still lose the full 100+ points.
So I know there are quite a few guys who should be higher up there, but aren?t because they spend the majority of their time playing against the beasts and their BP takes a hit for it. Umezono?s Bison only has around 30K or so (last I saw) but I?d be willing to bet he could still stomp on most. There?s a Chun here in Kansai that?s only at 10K but he should be around 30-40K with his skill level.
Yeah that just sounds hella skewed though. There’s many nice nice people that I’m sure are just outside of the “I play all day” BP ranking. Which even the top players…they do really play all day. Otherwise Chun sounds like that new hot shit though and I’ve been sleeping on her for a while (I think most of us have really). She don’t do tons of damage per hit but her game is very solid and works well in the realm of SFIV. Just like how Balrog doesn’t rape your health bar everytime he hits an Ultra but it doesn’t matter cuz his tools can lock down most other characters in the game once he gets going. Maybe Chun is Japan’s Balrog? :lol:
That’s currently the best system there is though (sort of like IQ for SFIV skill, but less rigorous). Your score/loss is proportional to the BP of your opponent and you lose points if you don’t play. And it’s reasonable that the more time you spend playing, the better you will become. There are obviously going to be cases where low BP guys are stronger than guys with high BP, but there definitely does seem to be a strong correlation between skill and BP (combined with Win/Lose ratio).
Everywhere else in the world, all you have to go on is tournament performance, and then people argue about what constitutes legitimate tourneys etc.
Justin Wong is undoubtedly the strongest player in the US, but who holds positions 2 to 10? People will throw out names based on their EVO performance, or placing at local ranbats, but without a standard scoring it’s not easy to judge performance.
If Chun has 1000 health and her ultra corner combo always does full ultra combo on juggle, she’ll be top in the middle tier.
Some people might be able to get her to top tier even.
There’s a nice group of Chuns out in Nagoya, and then Nemo/Nuki in Tokyo, but aside from that I don’t see Chun that often. Like Mago said she’s a difficult character to use, and takes a lot of work. And I imagine that 3S Chun users who tried to pick her up probably dropped her in a hurry.
If EX SBK were more reliable on wakeup/AA then she would be solid high-mid. I think she’s high mid as is right now, but things are still kind of shifting.
lol how more reliable you need EX SBK on wake up???
I guess I’m thinking mostly about jump-ins. It loses pretty badly to anything dive-kick-ish, or at least something with a downward angle that can smack her in her box. Some of Bison’s and Abel’s crossups tend to confuse it as well. Against non-jump-ins…if its blocked or whiffed it is very easily punishable. In the loketests on block at least it would push the opponent away, allowing her time to recover.
Making EX SBK too good would make Chun too good as well, but as is with Chun its hard to stop a rushdown once they get in on her. EX SBK is her best bet, but if she’s wrong about it in any sort of way she will end up eating more damage. This, coupled with Chun’s poor vitality, really hurts. I’d be fine with EX SBK the way it is now if Chun had better health; if they want to give her poor health, at least give her a more reliable AA option.
Hmm, I dont like where chun is on this list, i assumed from mago’s time with nemo, and against nuki he would consider chun as more of a threat.I Find it really odd to see chun-li lower then abel and honda, and im hoping its because they know something we don’t because other then that abel has alot harder match-ups then chun imo. I honestly think that chun is one of those characters that will make a late come back, she’s shifted so many times on the tier-list already. In alittle less then a year something is going to be either discovered about chun, or people are just gonna have a better handle with her, but i think she’s gonan end up high on the tier-list really soon.
you can easily hit her out of it with the right angle jump in, even with Chun
me too, when is sbo? i’m hoping to se shiz saiko do some damage but i’m also alf expecting him to get stomped 
you cant really say that you can’t tier blanka because his viability is dependant on how your opponent plays. for tier lists you’re looking at top level play period. That’s why blanka is hanging with guile fuerte and vega in mago and daigos tier lists.
because i only play blanka, who has nothing to trade with this move i didn’t know her sbk was vulnerable, and since it almost always does full hits and massive damage i found this move completely stupid because it becomes very very hard to get in on chun without eating thism ove until she has no meter left, at which point i can actually get in viably.
It’s pretty vulnerable to the universal block : / and it can’t be FADC’d so : P there you go
You know you can just safe jump on Chun all day, you can time it so you land in time to block ex sbk and ultra and either trade with or whiff over super.
Yeah that’s why I don’t personally like using tournament results to tier Blanka…it’s obvious his shit isn’t going to be winning tourneys all over the place but I personally like Blanka more than where he would inevitably be put on a tier list. He’s too mind game centered to look at tourney results and place him there just based on whether or not he’s winning tourneys. That’s why I just like him for not being high mid or top tier. From there I think Blanka can do anything but he’s not ever going to be the hot shit of SFIV.
On the EX SBK thing…I know personally that C.Viper has at least 3 moves that can beat it clean. Meaty f+MP beats that crap clean, LK burn kick right after it activates beats it clean and jump in RH has a great hit box for stuffing it after it starts. If you mess up your timing on the j.RH you won’t take much damage and just fly back to the end of the screen. If you time it right you stuff it free and get in her face.
Japan’s always seemed to think less highly of bailrag as we do in the US. They just seem to have his offensive holes figured out or something…
I so very strongly disagree with the abel/sagat matchup being 4.5-5.5, it’s at least 4-6 IMO. When I played Abel, when I fought a Sagat who was smart about using roundhouse, I could not fuggin get in. It’s like zangief syndrome, minus a way to trade with it like lariat(if that even works).
You focus and it’s two hits, you roll and there’s so many active frames it either still hits you or he recovers in time to throw you, you wheel kick it hits you, EX cod gets armor broken by two hits, you jump it hits you, you dash it hits you, you duck it then try to move forward and another 2-hit roundhouse pushes you out…
I’m sure a more skilled abel could get around it but it still seems like a SERIOUS fucking obstacle for the character to get around.
Well like someone said, I think the point of a tier list is ranking characters based on their tools. El fuerte is what, second to last on his list? Yet he’s won/placed well in tourneys. But he’s low because his tools are very difficult to use and literally net you one hit at time. You have to guess right like 10x as much as anyone else. I think fuerte’s buff as hell in the right hands but I don’t have a problem with people ranking him bottom tier.