Tiers. Are. Bullshit.
Sagat is in a class of his own yet there were no Sagats in the top 8 at Evo.
Dhalsim is E but Io wins the Japanese tourney with him.
Boxer is C yet he’s chosen at the finals at Evo.
Tiers. Are. Bullshit.
Stop wasting time discussing this crap. Its all in the player.
**Don’t say that shit to me man!
Runs out of thread crying**
Cr.HK, properly spaced, will beat Sagat’s standing RH. When he stops using it, Abel can get a little tricker with his approach and it becomes similar to the Ryu matchup.
Still winnable, but not unless the Abel uses all six buttons correctly.
I think of the tiers like this personally if anyones interested.
S Tier: Sagat, Akuma, Ryu, Seth
A Tier: C. Viper, Chun Li, Balrog, Rufus
B Tier: Ken, Guile, Blanka, Cammy, Zangief
C Tier: Dhalsim, Honda, Rose, Abel, Sakura
D Tier: Fuerte, Bison, Gen, Vega, Gouken, Fei Long, Dan
I think seth is almost the cheapest guy in the game, but hes so fragile and vulnerable to some matchups so since he can be counter picked and i think always can be “ume shoryu’d” i dont see him getting banned.
chun and balrog are just solid pressure characters and mixup footsie characters. i really wish more people played them, but they’re kindof boring. chun is the better of the two imo.
as Jwong showed rufus can normal battle gief.
I think ken is strong but underused because you have to readup or spend time figuring out is links and bnb’s they arent exactly intuitive, but he has strong footies and is underused.
guile just keeps getting better and he shuts down gief making for like the 8th character to gief trouble (seth, sagat, blanka, rufus, ryu, guile, fuerte, bison, i think cammy too if your reactions are good)
the list might shit on bison and abel but i just dont see him being that good. blanka is more solid but also limited.
i figure cammy can fight seth and akuma and can play a solid defense as well as offensive so i see her being mid tier, in tournyments where you need to pick just 1 character you shouldnt have too many bad matchups.
sakura, i like her FA and mixups and. but to me she’ll have to prove it again. i dont think shes a one trick pony but i also dont think she will be as solid against an opponent who expects what she can do. cammy on the other hand just has a very good AA and the instant dive kick isnt really a gimmick. its a fucking triangle jump.
eh it is not as easy as it looks lol that is a good match for gief. Also I think your bison is way to low and the bottom tier is just wrong to me probably still just claw guile dan fei and gen. Not sure why your ken is so high either I like your S tier if you knock out seth to A and move chun down.
Just to add, j.lp also beats Sagat’s s.hk.
Abel’s c.mk whiff punishes the living shit out of sagat’s s.hk making it a very unreliable tool at times.
I kinda see why Honda is talked about so highly by mago and ryu. They play japan’s best honda constantly and honestly, him (akimo) and namameso have honda figured out WAAAAY better than anybody in the world. They don’t jump in poorly, they have perfect HHS execution, they never get their pokes FA baited, they almost never splash unless it’s guaranteed to not get focused, they can eagle eye ultras all day for free (no american honda can do this yet) and they’re the most patient people to ever walk the mf earth. I could easily write up a list of shit they do that I’ve seen nobody else do but most wouldn’t be able to understand what’s so important about half the stuff.
I’ve been following akimo for months and honestly, the guy was free until April to May where him and namameso just took off skill wise. Since Japan got the game so much earlier, I expect American honda’s to reach their level in about 4 more months 
And Honda vs Gief is definitely 5-5 for many reasons. Most giefs are TERRIBLE at fighting honda’s though since America has so few of them.
thank you for translation azrael : )
I’d appreciate the list all the same.
Honda is Honda. Akimo is good but this doesn’t take Honda up to B tier - all the people that think Honda is suddenly better are delusional.
I’ve thought honda was extremely potent since day 1. His pork chop (standing fierce), and pancake (neutral jump fierce) beat pretty much everything and do shit loads of damage. Hand slaps are godly and so is his command throw. Ex headbutt + auto correct seems to beat all jump in attempts on wake up.
Merkicus, it’s not that Honda jumped to B tier, it’s that we more accurately recognize what some of his tools can do and how that effects his match ups which places him in B tier. He does gaugeless damage on par with Akuma (via double fierce hands combos.) he’s excellent at air to air, he has some solid pokes. He has to work with fireballs relatively like he did in ST except his jumping fierce is way easier to maneuver with now, he’s really solid, but not as solid as someone like Sagat. He’s gotten a boost here since although waves of fireballs are still difficult for him, it takes more of them to equate to what happens when he gets in.
It’s interesting to see Abel rated so high when most everyone in the US thinks Abel is terrible (just go to the Abel forums and see for yourself!).
Putting Bison in D tier is probably the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen - are you trolling?
Pretty much everything here is completely wrong - Oichio is the worst command throw in the game, ex headbutt doesn’t autocorrect like you think it does (watch pro vids), pork chop isn’t that good, pancake needs to be done early, etc.
YJDK about Honda. 
ex headbutt auto corrects if you have the execution (play with better competition). Oichio, TT, and SPD are all godly in this game, no option selecting these. And the two normals I mentioned are amazing, his other normals like s.HK, his c.jab and others are potent as well. Honda footsies are no joke. Dunno who you play with but your Honda comp must be lacking.
I concur. Theory fighter is lame and usually doesn’t translate well into real life.
pretty much, dude has no clue.
honda is good.
-dime
You don’t know what you’re talking about - you need to watch some pro vids.
Ex Headbutt pretty much never auto-corrects because the timing is too strict. Some players are good enough to bust out EX headbutt during a crossup by simply executing the move - the blocking motion charges and when the crossup occurs the blocking motion is now considered a forward motion and you can execute the headbutt.
Oichio is the weakest command throw in the game and loses to all the others - you seemed to gloss right over this. EX Oichio is garbage and not worth spending meter on.
Chop is ok at best.
/rolleyes
why don’t you ask mike ross or mrSNK what they think about honda. you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
actually mike is one of the hondas that i played regularly against at v94… we argued about hondas merits MANY times. we all know what his position on honda is.
but the fact of the matter is that he was winning tournies/ coming in 2nd place early on WITHOUT knowledge of HP HHS combos… thats how strong honda is in the hands of a good player.
he doesnt win as much anymore cause people have figured out how to play HIS honda, not because the character itself sucks.
you havent a clue.
also my friend unconkable auto flips with ex splash almost 100% on wakeup.
hondas command throw is the weakest compared to gief and abels? ok fine… stop being predictable with it… thats like 2 characters, its STILL unbreakable. and have you seen the range on lp ochio??? its about the same as kens full kara throw. throw in a forward dash into lp ochio and this shit has MAD range.
lol your funny
-dime