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I have a very different lists of buffs that i would give him.
The list i mentioned in this topic is meant to make him more versatile, but they would change his current design and i dont like it.

I think he s meant to be simple. Predictable, but overwhelming.

https://youtu.be/MJOKeqJpeEM

obviously Bison no longer has problems against Guile; is even now, a little in his favor thanks that wonderful Vskill. Ā¬Ā¬

I get were your coming from when you say there is less option in V, but I still think knowing match ups are extremely important and Iā€™d be dubious if anyone claimed to know them all and that there is nothing left to discover.
To have a firm grasp of a match up, you need to be be able to regularly play against high level players of a character. You also need to play against multiple players of the same character, because the way you may play might naturally counter the play style of your opponent or vice versa, you might know the players habits and beat there habits rather than the character and vice versa if your opponent beats you.

At this stage I do think its fair to say Bison is low tier or low mid tier at this point and its a fare judgement going on tournament results, watching replays, the opinions on this forum and others and our experience indicate that but I think people on this forum over exaggerates how bad he is.

Iā€™m not sure if your trying to be sarcastic with that post. If you were not then ignore this post. But that video is edited for some reason to only show Nuckledu winning, if you go to Nuckleduā€™s twitch channel you will actually see Tampa Bison won the set 10-5.

I donā€™t have enough experience to call the Guile match up. I do remember Phemon saying in an interview that he felt the match was even or only marginally in Guiles favor.

It should be now were near as bad as it was in IV.
Guiles zoning game is worse, his normals are worse, heā€™s not as dominate in the air and Bison does more damage in V than he did in IV.
Guile has Sonic Boom shield which Bison does not have a counter for but that also applied to IV. He now has big long damage combos off V-Trigger and if he gets a reset out of them heā€™s golden but I think you will find Guile players saying the trade off to what he lost is not worth it.

that I know, and Tampa only won because he is really good one of the best Bison in the world; I donā€™t know if you watch the fight? when he lost he does really hard!! just because as a Bison player has to work harder and disadvantage; you say Guile is worse in V well Bison is to a lot worse and he was already bad in that game, of course thatā€™s my opinion and is shared by Phemon; he lost speed, reversal, faster and better normals, his specials are worse; SK not airborne for example; for Vtrigger you are half dead and the majority of time we donā€™t have meter because we already used To stay plus or to be faster besides Bison in Vtrigger is not better is worse he lost his Vreversal which is not so good anyway, Bison in V he only earned an average damage and better appearance.

the biggest problem of Bison in V is his design; It is broken in a bad way, what do I mean? he depends in CC get damage, however no one is afraid of being near him in fact he is even weaker at close that because he doesnā€™t have have an AA, doesnā€™t have a reversal and his CC moves can be stop by faster normals; people should be afraid of being near him but at the same time need be near him.

Looking at the full set on twitch, there is three possible conclusions you could draw from it, either Tampa Bison is better than Kunckledu, he knows the match up better than Kunckledu does or the match up is in Bisonā€™s favor. Personally Iā€™d want to see more high level examples of the match before making a judgement on it. But you really do have to go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to somehow twist it into evidence that the match up is in Guile favor. Bison may be bad but this is not evidence of it.

Have you watched the full set? because there is several rounds were Nuckledu looses really badly. You could even say that as a Guile player you have to work harder and is at a disadvantage!. Not sure if you are aware but everyone says that about the character they play. It happens to be true for Bison, but it also happens to be true for Guile as the general opinion of Guile is that heā€™s not looking strong, a sentiment that seems to be shared when talking about all the DLC characters.

Also as you seem to be President of Phemonā€™s fan club heā€™s on record as saying the Bison match up is no where near as it was bad in IV, it said maybe Guile wins slightly but its a much more fair match up now.

as I already tell you; you donĀ“t want to see the proof; he was droop online Combofiend recognized this fact, he was droop by professionals; Mooons, Problem X (HOW SUCKS in my opinion) Phenom, among others; Phenom believes is worse in V that in IV, the opinion of everyone else here with you only exception and all the Nerfs he got, he is not weak but a bad character I will not lose my time in an argument with you.

the only thing you can do, with your supposed knowledge of all Bison macthes is go to a tournament and do a good performance, not win but do good.

in the beginning I was the only one who said it was bad; time he passed and I was right, from now on I will ignore yours post, we will never agree.

brings evidence and with that everyone here will agrees with you; is good you enjoy this version Capcom made for you, HOWEVER no one else does.

Honestly, I didnā€™t care much about the Guile matchup. Stay close, so he canā€™t SB and walk. At this range, v-skill doesnā€™t leave you open and heā€™s susceptible to jump-ins.
Bisonā€™s problem is against intense rushdown (aerial assaults, grabs, crush counters) and/or characters with 3f/meterless dps.

Necalli is both. Guile is neither.

What proof did you post?. You linked to a video that you thought showed Bison was getting owned to prove the Guile match up was terrible and it being another example of Bison being bad when it fact it was a highly edited Guile highlight reel designed to make Guile look good were in actual fact the Bison player won convincingly.

All you have done by posting that video is prove your a whiny fool. Rather than read any more of your clown posts Iā€™ll just put you on my ignore list.

I thank you not to use personal attacks because I do not have insulted at any time; this is the last time I speak with you.

Calm down you guys, no need to get heated. Bison is not at the spot we want him to be but it still going to be awhile before season 2 so lets hope Capcom look favorably upon our magnificent evil overlord (and his No.2).
At least we still can win with Bison, his situation reminds me of SSF4 Makoto so maybe he will get a similar treatment. ( although Bison certainty lacks almost all of Makoto strengths except damage and somewhat safe specials)

Just imagine sfv bison with his omega command grab and sf4 17f dash!

I am so sad they didnā€™t put that in his SFV version, they clearly experimented with that and decided to leave him out of having most of the tools added in Omega. He did have an 18 frames dash on beta 1, too bad that didnā€™t last :frowning:

I think giving him a teleport with his current design would be fairā€¦ If not then he needs some buffs on his medium normals.

his biggest problems are not having an AA and a invincible reversal, everyone is constantly jumping on him after a blocked combo either yours or theirs is maddening. that will greatly improve his gameplay

https://youtu.be/2YMe1RIMDHM

Venom is becoming one of my favorite Bisons of the vanilla era.

He very rarely uses inferno from those videos. nice though I like his style

That DP parry :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn-HkhMGOIk

Galtu makes Bison look top tier. Truly a great player.