If you are talking about crouch MP to stand MP that shit is a 1 frame link so yeah timing is strict hardly worth the damage now after the nerf.
Anything else into stand MP hasn’t posed me any problems.
For me the c.mp into standing mp is the easier of the two. what I have trouble connecting is s.mp in other combos. The easiest one for me is c.lp s.lk, s.mp, SK/PC. I can’t land it anywhere else reliably. wtf?
Not only against Blanka. It work on :
Abel
Dan
Dee Jay
Honda
El Fuerte
Guy
Hakan
Juri
Rufus
Zangief
I didn’t test on newcomers yet
Well, cr. HP is pretty real from my play experience. I hate that St mp gives you hardly any extra damage for being behind 1-frame links. Don’t think I’ll use it outside of frame traps.
Cr.HP still trades a good amount for me. Still just bad hurt boxes and my reactions aren’t as good as everyone else’s here. RIP
cr.mp to st.mp is great and totally worth the damage you get off of FADC combos not to mention RFA into Ultra. on big body characters you can cross up with it and get fat damage with FADC into cr. jab, st. jab, cr.mp, st.mp xx RH scissors.
another cross up possibility on big body characters is jumping rh/mk st. close fierce, st.lk , st. mp xx RH scissors. FADC into cr. jab, st. jab, cr.mp, st.mp xx RH scissors for like 413 (I think) dmg on big body dudes and characters with wide hurt boxes like Rolento.
EDIT: Also, U1 is functional as an anti-air from close range, like two character spaces. Corner them, back off a bit and wait for the inevitable jump.
Ok has anyone does any experiments with AA’s? Cause maybe it’s online but I was able to hit YUN and other chars with the AA’s and now it is though. It has to be due to online.
Now it is tough you mean? I’m not sure what you mean. your sentence is kinda garbled lol.
I’ve been doing nothing but training mode and I’ve been practicing AA’s with Cr. fierce and U1 only.
Cr. fierce works best from specific spacings. I dunno, Yun can alter his arc so it’s unreliable, you trying st. mp or whut?
dude, time for some real talk
you were one of the biggest, bitchiest complainers for the last 7 months and tried to shit on anyone (like duaie, m16, myself) that were telling you over and over again that bison wasn’t that bad. at the start everyone was in shock about the -1, yeah, sure, plenty of bitching from everyone, but you just kept going even in the face of the realizations of how good fs.mp and cr.fierce are. now you’re sitting here with a straight face saying OH HEY EVERYONE I TOLD YOU BISON’S WOULD BE GOOD, talking about things other people (again duaie, m16, myself) have already brought up like 5 months ago as if it’s news?
honestly, i shouldn’t be singling exogen out. like 75% of everyone in this thread/forum has been whining incessantly and unjustly in some way
yeah no shit cr.fierce is good, it always has been. the shaved 2 frames makes it better to the point where you can use it against braindead/poor divekicks which is GDLK
gee, fs.mp being special cancelable footsie tool with amazing corner carry turned out to be good in actual gameplay? shit damn who could have seen that coming!?
RFA help bison A LOT and gives him comeback? GOLLY THAT’S NEWS TO ME
teleport nerf doesn’t really matter? naw dawg we gotta make it recover FASTER not longer! it’s unusable already …right? RIGHT???
seriously, it’s like everyone was too busy these last 6 months using their head to bash against their keyboards in rage instead of using their head to THINK critically. now that the tools are in your hands you’re all surprised bison is good? and you STILL find things to bitch about! my god
how long have some of us been playing this character? 4-6 years and you couldn’t comprehend bison’s changes and the system changes meant to bison as a whole? calling for these insane, often brain-dead buffs? step your shit up. for real.
let me just draw the line right here:
if you could tell bison was going to be a GOOD and SOLID character that benefited greatly from the buffs, system changes, and changes to other characters, you’re not a shitter and this post wasn’t directed at you
if you were whining almost non-stop and suddenly ‘see the light’ now that the game is in your hands, you’re a shitter. you’ve been losing these last X years not because the character but because you, i reiterate, are a shitter. new bison won’t help you much at the higher levels, probably not even at mid levels, and you’ll go back to bitching in a couple months because you, say it with me now, are a shitter
and yes it was 100% necessary i say these things. 1) because some people need a reality check to GET BETTER and 2) because i die inside every time someone mentions something i already brought up waaaaaay back in the past but was never listened to
ShadowOS
First off fool, You need to drop that negativity when you address my right now. Let’s set the record str8 and appreciate this shit in context without distortions.
I was complaining about the -1 nerf for sure, but that was BEFORE I really understood the system changes (point one), not the AA so much. I was taking that shit in assuming other things were unchanged. If you recall once I learned about the system changes and started to slowly see the light. So wasn’t any instant turnaround over here.
Second point; I was unaware of the added pushback of the -1 when I first was complaining about that shit back then. I also was unaware of the added chip damage.
As a third point U1 had not been even buffed then so let’s remember that.
On the subject of braindead buffs, I was the MAIN if not only person against giving bison an AA and in favor of buffing his near useless other moves. So get that braindead comment the fuck out of here.
I was one of the few people pointing out how fucked FADC off of DP’s was broken back then and these dumb asses are only now fixing that. anyone could understand that was broken.
Lastly and MOST important of all, and in light of the above considerations I played him at ECT for myself and was able to make an analysis based on that day. It was based on THAT. And you should already know this cause you read my report. So when I made the above comment you quoted, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that I was talking about my recent experience at ECT, not conversations on this forum that happened 20 fucking years ago and shit.
Now you over here putting words in my mouth as if I ever admitted bison is now all top tier and shit. I said I think he is BETTER OFF than he was before, meaning U Bison is way way better than even, say, Super bison. I definitely don’t think he is top tier right now. But it is very early so we will see. So yeah, he is good, but not fucking top of the game in my view. It means he is not as annoying to play with him. He is more enjoyable.
Which brings me to another point. again just for the record, I am not losing left and right and never have been.
So yeah, it’s time for real talk “dude.” How about we start by taking into the pages in this thread, especially my report from ECT before we go acting all but hurt, then adding disclaimers talking about “if this statement doesn’t apply to you”…bla bla bla. Don’t act as though that sort of back handed cheap sarcasm slick shit isn’t obvious.
Bottom line, is you are bringing very unnecessary and unwanted bullshit about conversations that are not even relevant anymore because they were from a period when many of us were upset because not everyone was fully informed as to things like system changes, and other factors about Bison in Ultra. You are brining negative energy right now cause you been holding some kind of grudge about shit everyone forgot about until now and you are ruining the flow of what we have going on in this thread right now. You need to chill back and stop internalizing bullshit and let that shit go, cause I won’t stand for it.
Now if you hadn’t just posted that punk ass rant, and instead playfully said some shit like “hey exogen remember you was complaining about Bison, but you see now you on my band wagon” and added a little smiley face of something of that nature, I would be inclined to be like “yeah bro you was right and I was clearly tripping.” But when you go bring that ego into the picture running out even flow, I gotta tell you fall back with that negativity.
Now also on the record, I am one of the main dudes that usually stops people from fighting in the Bison community, so you tripping on me is out of line. Take that nonsense someplace else!!
I think delayed wake-up hurts bison’s offense just a bit, ill prolly end up opting for more sk’s pressure then going for tick throws.
Not sure how i feel about Red focus yet…meter is precious to bison, but everything else feels good (cept teleport).
Ps. elena’s hurtbox is top tier…
I died a little when I saw teleport take so fucking long. With that move pretty useless, meter is important to bison. Never managed to have 3 bars I was willing to burn.
Either cross up jMK or cLP seems to have more pushback. I used to be able to cross up jMK then get some cLP out Into cMK or cLK -> SK. Now it whiffs a lot after the jMk or first cLP
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Decapre seems doesn’t have a lot of response to HS pressure at her wake up
The only way she can beat it is to dash under and then punish with a normal -
Safe Jump setup : backthrow > dash > Jump MK works on Rolento
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Loving this jump fierce to ultra 1 anywhere on the screen. Comes in handy if you make the right reads.
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Far st mp <3 I’m implementing it in my combos and frame traps like Bison always had it lol. Gonna mess around with st mp AA -> cross up pc today.
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Crouch fierce is really solid against dive kickers in my experience so far. I played Glitch’s Rufus in a set yesterday and after a few fierces he had no idea how to get in on honest terms. I’ll test it more against Yun/Yang today.
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Elena’s hitbox :’(
- Overall Bison is so much more fun to play. I’m really enjoying him.
@ShadowOS
I don’t think exogen has ever shitted on anyone, or at least, I never felt shitted on. Shadow, thanks for being on my side but I totally disagree with your post. I did too notice a pretty radical change of mind from Exogen, but hey, since when is that a bad thing?
It seems to me like you have that mentality where everyone must defend their opinions at all costs, and changing mind is seen as a sign of defeat, and the people who had that opinion from the beginning are the winners. Sorry, but I don’t feel like I’ve won any battle for making exogen change his mind. I just don’t give a crap about it.
Also, like exogen pointed out, the way you expressed your post is very unnecessarily rude. We will all just pretend you had a bad day this time, but please, let’s stop with this negativity.
I’ll agree that Bison’s better, but I’ll remain skeptical until we see if he’s capable of winning a major. Bison was “good” in like every other version of the game but he had critical flaws which stopped him from winning majors when several other characters could do so. Some of those flaws have been fixed, but it doesn’t really mean anything if he still can’t win.
Some RFA numbers from training mode (used Ryu as punchbag)
RFA lv3 -> U1 = 571 dmg, 200 stun
RFA lv3 -> U2 = 520 dmg, 200 stun
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> HK SK -> RFA -> U1 = 520 dmg, 540 stun
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> HK SK -> RFA -> U2 = 488 dmg, 540 stun
jf.HP -> cr.HP -> RFA -> U1 = 529 dmg, 470 stun
jf.HP -> cr.HP -> RFA -> U2 = 494 dmg, 470 stun
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> RFA -> U1 = 519 dmg, 470 stun
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> RFA -> U2 = 484 dmg, 470 stun
FAlv3 -> cr.HP -> RFA -> U1 = 492 dmg, 420 stun
FAlv3 -> cr.HP -> RFA -> U2 = 460 dmg, 420 stun
cr.HP -> RFA -> U1 = 478 dmg, 280 stun
cr.HP -> RFA -> U2 = 434 dmg, 280 stun
HK SK -> RFA -> U1 = 438 dmg, 180 stun (same for EX SK)
HK SK -> RFA -> U2 = 394 dmg, 180 stun (same for EX SK)
some stun stuff
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> HK SK -> RFA -> HP PC = 390 dmg, 640 stun
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> HK SK -> RFA -> cr.HP = 375 dmg, 640 stun
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> HK SK -> RFA -> cr.HK = 370 dmg, 640 stun
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> HK SK -> RFA -> b.throw = 390 dmg, 615 stun
jf.HP -> cl.HP -> HK SK -> RFA -> f.throw = 390 dmg, 605 stun
ps: sometimes first hit of U1 miss and you loss a lil bit of dmg, example the 520 dmg one may become 500
for stun
J.HP > CloseHP > Scissors HK > EXRF > CloseHP > Scissors deals 700 stun
now… if you end with Psycho LP or Scissors LK, you can try a crossup Psycho Crusher to reset and add some more stun. If you don’t want a reset, end it with Psycho HP for extra 20 stun.
Cool, thanks!