Well it is not actually safe in AE, it is just that not many people knew how to punish it. That’s why you see people like Tampa Bison prefer to use ExSK FADC. I reckon Rose could do it easily because her Ultra1 got buffed, if I am not mistaken , she still can punish ExPC in AE with her ultra. I don’t think they changed anything with ExPC expect the damage, I suspect they made it invulnerable to throws in start-up because I remember I saw that T.hawk ultra was supposed to connect but ExPC beat it, but I am not sure.
Yeah the EX PC being punishable is nothing new, honestly. That thing get’s option selected, thrown, beat out, and/or punished on reaction, by like the whole cast, its ridiculous.
I did like two things from the video.
1rst was the anti air usage. That gives me ALOT of ideas on how things are going to go. It looks as if Bison cannot be abused anymore from the air, thank god.
2nd thing was the c.lk, c.lk, s.lk, s.mp, SK combo. THAT is what I am talking about right there!!! THAT is decent damage that we can get just for one lk we land, then combo confirm with the second, and the rest is history.
I can’t wait. More damage, real comback potential, AA’s, no more vortex.
btw, have you guys seen this sorry shit?
Will it be possible to hit-confirm a crouching HP frame trap (counter hit) into EX RFA level 1 > Ultra 1 ???
This would be a ton of damage for 3 bars and would boost Bisons tick throw game a lot. I don’t know what the scaling will be on EX RFA but currently I would say CH cr.hp > EX RFA > Ultra 1 (full loaded) should inflict ~ 550 damage (with damage scaling 70 % on Ultra 1) … Question is if it is possible to hitconfirm the CH cr.hp into EX RFA ?
Also Set up Jump in HP > cr.hp > EX RFA > Ultra 1 … is beefy … ~ 560 damage … that is really solid for 3 bars … and you can hit confirm it !!!
A lot of CH set ups will become very scary when Bison has 3 Bars … RFA is imho the best buff for Bison so far …
Unfortunately Guile will also benefit from this a lot … and now he is a fortress with hit confirms into Ultra 1 and overall more and reliable damage … Guile = Top Tier !!!
They only have one frame to land the throw before it goes active, if I remember correctly. This is the same reason fireballs will also beat it on rare occasion
Anything you can FA cancel combo you can EX Red Focus cancel combo into crumple. Personally I would be more interested in a close St. HP, cr. mk RFA confirm because spending 3 meters on a CH gamble is a bit much.
St. mp buffer into HK SK and confirm into ultra is also very important to keep in mind, it will make you seem godlike in whiff punish situations.
If you want CH combos into RFA, go CloseHP > S.MP > Scissors HK > RFA > U1
CLHP> StMP it conects ? .I dont Think so .
It does connect easily on counter hit,I tried in the PC mod, it nets really high damage.
Yeah,
I have seen a video of someone doing it somewhere.
No need for testing. Close HP is +4. CH is +7. S.MP is now 6f and has bigger range than Cr.MP.
What’s the point in discussing this? -1 SK means Bison is useless.
#Kappa
Kim 1234 is also a scrub for pretty much saying the same as me. Silly Japanese people thinking they know about SF.
#DeKappare
Kim1234 is from the states bro, he’s American.
And the -1 isn’t all that bad. There isn’t much in the game that can punish it, and for what can, you just have to do long block strings, which s.mp allows you to do so that you get pushback to where they will be to far to punish.
The fact that he takes more chip damage and greater damage on SK’s is huge. I really don’t think Bison is useless. I am more concerned about the teleport nerf, than the -1 at this point.
really? i always thinking he from China, so why i never see him on American tournaments, except EVO, one time in the year.
You never see him because he resides in Japan and works there. He gets some of the best SF competition in the world and a Japan-US flight actually sucks to be on IMO. He could have other reasons for not frequenting the states.
Was thinking more about the teleport nerf recently, I still use it time to time and having another 5f recovery is going to make it so weak. Going to try and forget he has the move, frankly hasn’t been good since they developed OS anyway so this is a wake up call to stop using it.
Right. Now the move is so risky, and so situational, and SO matchup specific, it is not even worth using. The fact that c.hp trades sometimes is inexcusable if you think about it for nerfing the damn teleport.
The ONLY uses I can see for it is the following.
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from one side of the screen escaping full screen to the other. - not very useful.
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during crossups, escaping full screen or half because Bison should not be punishable because by the time the character lands and attacks he would have recovered. Full screen he would be safe, half screen he would be safe but possibility might be forced to block some moves, not sure.
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He still could use it to bait or escape certain moves, but this will be guessing or if someone happens to mess up. This gets into really risky territory though.
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To dodge fireballs full screen.
Other than that, I don’t see any uses for it.
Everything on the internet is a lie.
Dude, he said it himself.
Lol, I know this. I played the game myself and Bison hadn’t really changed between what I played and what he does. It’s just when I said Bison would be fine, everyone wrote a book that I didn’t bother reading as to why I’m wrong.
Guiles lost u1 auto correct and his health got nerfed to 950. Happy days
I have a question, how do we know this isn’t countered by the added pushback?
It doesn’t make sense if the pushback is greater. Did this mod account for this fact? Or is the pushback an unconfirmed rumor?
In revisiting this video at around 25:40 you can see Sagat do DP to FADC. Bison punishes with s.mk. Assuming Sagat could not block, that is totally awesome. If that is a legit punish it is so much more fair of a situation. NOW a DP, which normally incurs a huge punish, can be made safe, for the cost of two bars. If Sagat guesses right, he get’s more damage from special/normal, or ultra. If Sagat tries to be “safe” he now get’s punish for 80 dmg I think is far standing HK right?
ALERT!!!
guys I will be going to ECT in a week. I may not be competing but will be there for support of my team. I was told there is going to be a location test there. I will be filming. PLEASE what do you want me to test? I need specifics. Try to give me things that are universal to all matchups as well as some serious matchup specific things. I may not necessarily have time to play on the thing for long, so let’s try to come up with a list that is practical and highlights the most important questions we need answered in assessing Bison. Also if Combofiend is there, I will be talking to him, if I can and try to understand where Capcom is coming from, and see if they understand out plight.