Actually, I always thought Rose was a pretty decent character even before Ultra but maybe it’s because most of my Rose experience is me getting demolished by Filipinoman so maybe my opinion is a bit biased. Rose will always be a serious threat in the right hands and I see no reason for her to get nerfed regardless of Louffy’s accomplishments this year.
However, it’s a bit of a stretch to say she doesn’t have the tools to win any matches…
Yeah, It’s true that most Americans underrate how good some of the European scene is. Even one of the best US players struggled in France (Dieminion), and look how much he leveled up after coming back from there.
luffy lost $350 moneymatch against mizoteru blanka the night before evo top8, so clearly blanka is OP guys.
lol without much trouble? seriously? Did you think bonchan don’t know rose matchup? He even land a ultra free on rose at her cmp, mk spiral, knowing there is no true blockstring. dude, you’re hilarious
Luffy was the one fighting the uphill battle dude, or did you not notice all of the adjusting Luffy had to do, all of the little things that he got majorly punished for, and all of the baits he had to do just to get inside, much less open Bonchan up?
Bonchan in that matchup was the aggressor, and was therefore content to throw her away and reset the situation to capitalise with fireballs and lk pressure, Luffy spent most of the matches just trying to get inside. If you didn’t notice all of the tiny details in those matches, go back and watch them again. There were a lot of risks taken that I think you missed.
And before you guys say anything, no, I’m not advocating for anything to happen to Sagat, but it looked like that matchup was in Sagat’s favor even if only a tiny bit. I don’t know if that was Bonchan being that good or if it’s naturally that way, but that’s how it looked.
I’m sorry, but the matchup is definitely and obviously in Rose’s favor. Sagat relies on his fireball game (which was nerfed) and Rose thrives off her opponents throwing projectiles for meter. Rose also has better mobility, and better normals than Sagat does. I’m not saying Luffy wasn’t the better player, because he was, but to think that Bonchan didn’t have to try risky things in every round just to compete with Rose is just wrong.
Top 8 was amazing for so many reasons. I learned a lot watching the matches, especially the matches that Snake Eyez was in.
The best part of Luffy winning was the gauntlet that he went through to reach the top. He had the hardest climb. Most of his opponents consisted of high-level Japanese players + Xian and Snake Eyez, and he endured all of it. Luffy (and the tournament in general) proved to the world that the Japanese aren’t so dominant in the game anymore. The people that we called the “five gods of 2D fighters” all got blown up, shattering everyone’s expectations. Yun was supposed to be super-strong, but there was no sight of him in top 8. Sagat was supposed to be bad, but Bonchan proved that he could still hang.
I’m really looking forward to how the game develops now. Can’t wait for Ultra to drop next month.
Evo top 8 was so hype… loved it, and don’t see any need for changes to any of the characters that were repped. Honestly, I’m already sick of Capcom weakening characters to try to balance things out. I’d much rather they maxed out every character to S-Tier potential and let us all fight it out to settle things decisively. lol
I like that top 8 was all character specialists.
Well, like I said, I didn’t know how that matchup played out lol
To me it just looked like Luffy was having a harder time, because there were a lot of rounds where Bonchan would get a big life lead and Luffy would have to come back.
I’m not saying she can’t win. I’m saying she’s the most fair character in the game. No overhead, no untechable throws, a shitty crossup attack. She just has to work so hard unless she’s fighting a fireball-based character. Then she has to work slightly less hard. She has no mixup potential because everything she has can be blocked low unless she jumps and what do you do to someone who jumps alot?
Rose wins on pressure, prediction, and punishing. Oh and footsies. Footsies all day. Cr.MP IS STRAIGHT FROM THE GODS. My favorite attack in the game.
please take away Gen’s overhead and give me crane standing medium kick that is unthrowable and I will forgive capcom for all the nerfs
…Are you serious?
Tell me, exactly what puts it in Sagat’s favor?
Is it his fireballs, that rose can absorb for huge meter gain? is it the fact his normals tend to be shit up-close while hers are great?
Like, did you even watch the match? Bonchan had to basically go nuts just to take a round off luffy. meanwhile luffy was just pounding him every game. most of bon’s wins came because he got a clutch upper into ultra or the like. Rose was absolutely mauling Sagat.
Again, TWO GAMES to SIX. and even the 2 games Bon won where close as hell.
Seriously, can you maybe explain to me what exactly Sagat has that makes him good, or even nuetral, against Rose?
Her mixup potential up close is between throw and cl.mk. It’s actually okay and she gets more off it than most characters get off their overheads. Lacking an overhead isn’t a huge deal if you have something that fulfills that purpose. The people wanting to remove throw invincibility on it are NUTS. I know it’s a thing that like…Ryu players back in the day said he was complete trash because his cr.mk hurtbox extended past the hitbox a little. People like to act like every little nerf kills their character but removing cl.mk throw invuln would ACTUALLY KILL HER. Making options less strong is one thing. Removing one they need to even attempt their game is another. Now if she was airborne during it or it hit overhead or something I could see toning it down but it’s exactly as it needs to be.
how about throw invincible on the 5th frame then? that will be nice. at least she still has it
Perhaps give him the option to FADC after the overhead for a combo would be another good choice. That thing is so slow that if anybody gets hit by that they deserve it.
let’s trade jump arcs and walk speed? 
the damage control is real
I thought you never ask, I spend so much time switching stances for walkspeed I forget which stance I am in and push wrong buttons. please give me Rose dash too while you are at it and a 4 frame crMP, you can also have super into ultra for added measure (oh wait you have that already?) sorry man
What should we make of Ixion’s Dan beating Luffy at DreamHack? :<