does anyone like sabretooth?
Preppy, it’s cute, but you can stop sending me private messages to try to insult me.
It’s very simple. If you’re at ECC 12.5 get ready to get rocked.
I quote myself:
it’s a matchup that significantly favors Megaman, one of the best counters… yet you’re keeping me away with jumping busters, no assists, with an occasional tornado hold.
I quote Preppy’s response:
Yup, very annoying since eventually you get in and MM outprioritizes you and then just runs away again. But given how generally overpowered Magneto is, it’s well-deserved punishment.
No retcons please thank you.
As opposed to “Preppy you really are despicable”, a pissing contest clearly everyone here needs to see and care about. 
Define rocked. I’m scared. What are my odds? You’re the one who’s belligerent here. ft10 spotted 5? That’s “rocked” to me. Otherwise, it’s a “squeaker” or “close match”. Hell, last I heard 10-6 was an embarassment to the guy who won that.
I’m not planning on going, but maybe I’m going if you really want to embarass yourself.
I sincerely apologize that I ignored that you said “no assists” as if that was that somehow relevant to the assist-centric game of Marvel vs Capcom 2 to which relation and only which relation I pointed out the generally known fact that Megaman is a pretty darn good Magneto counter which YOU specifically explicitly said wasn’t the case.
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Maybe you’re used to people who can’t block? I can usually block OK, it’s one of the few strengths I have. You take decent blocking into the equation and then throw in the elements already mentioned (plus the two other anti-rushdown tactics MM has) and it’s not the best fight but it IS the solo best match-up for Megaman against any of the Big 4.
Theory fighting is really fucking boring. AFAIK, you have NO knowledge to share here as in regards Megaman, and your bile towards me and your pissing match about how l337 Mags is… it’s really boring. Marvel didn’t just come out last year.
I didn’t realize Shoultzula came up with that - I definitely tucked that nugget away when I heard it. That’s cool. :tup: x many
I still don’t know the practical application of that, but I’ll try it out some. You can also typically suck fly-away Sentinel down into buster through SJ from close to far falling buster. I’ve deliberately not pointed that out because it’s kind of vital to him having a chance against Sent, but – there, dumb tactic back for you.
He’s got potentially more problem with good run-away than anybody else I can think of, but he’s definitely interesting. Venom/Sabretooth/Doom is probably the team I’ve seen the most, but that’s more oriented around setting up Venom’s tricks. I haven’t seen any good unique teams that set up Sabretooth. There’s Higher-Jin’s “Die Die Die” Sabretooth combo video on my web site, but honestly I haven’t seen anybody but Ian (Venom/Sabe/Doom) and myself (typical Sabe/random/Tron or Sabe/random/Sent) play him.
Once that Preppy guy gets off his ass, I suspect we’ll see a few more Ruby players out there. 
He stays out for a little bit while starting the energy ball before going back, in that time if he is hit it stops the whole process and no energy ball assist.
Some one with a decent beam attack that passes through characters like cyclops can just peg him and stop the ball. Or if they’re are close enough, jab him to make’em stop. One good thing about the ball when it gets going though, is it does not seem to be able to be negated by another attack. I’ve seen it pass through cable’s superbeam and nail him. It is his best assist still.
Who’s retconning what? What you said in your first post in this thread was:
“When people say megaman is a counter to Magneto, I don’t think they’ve really played the matchup through. Megaman has some nice tools to keep away mags, but ultimately even simple things like typhoon assist, missing one mega blast, will ruin the day. And really, what can megaman do to magneto? Hit him with nonchipping mega blasts while chipping him a little (if it hits at all) with some assist?”
I can’t read, “It’s a matchup that significantly favors MM” ANYWHERE in that. Quit being a jerk.
I am having so much fun playing Ruby Heart/Cammy/Cyc. Probably not low tier enough for this thread though.
Tight Ken/Ruby combo:
Ken/Ruby Heart capture combo:
launch, call Ruby Heart assist, sj hurricane(4 hits), chain hits, relaunch into another hurricane. 95% combo no meter. My guess is that Justin wanted to pull that one off against dark prince.
not sure how much u know but bison has c.lk,s.hkxxscissorkick super.
as for the gambit glitch i think he flys up, gets hit himself AND gets stuck. Did the same for spiral too. I think he has good throw priority too
If you can’t make it fine. Real life is more important. But if you show up, get ready to settle this matter. Let’s see how my ‘theory fighting’ does against one of the ‘best’ megaman players.
First to ten? Whatever, figure out if you’re coming first then we’ll figure out the details.
And what is this 10-6 crap? We’re talking about winning and losing. I’m supposed to be a ‘scrub’ in your eyes who has no idea what I’m doing. I’m supposed to have no idea what I’m doing. I’m not Yipes right? Why are you trying to give yourself leeway? You’re one of the best megaman players right???
You’re trying to weasel out of this by discrediting my win unless I beat you 10-0? You’re playing THE ‘COUNTER’ to my ‘crappy’ Magneto and you’re still saying this?
By the same token, you’re an idiot unless you beat me 10-6, because you’re supposed to be “the authority”
It’s WIN OR LOSE that simple. Make your choice.
gambit airthrow + son son == beastly
that shit will snatch and combo all dayXXcardXXdash
shaded wolf, you’re really barkin up the wrong tree if you think this will prove anything. Go look at zachs win ratio vs top players in any of his videos, he gets W’s
this is simply you trying to sidestep zachs consistent results vs the best magnetos. even if you manage to beat him, he’s still gonna fuck up a bunch of other bagnus players…megaman is too good
It’s between myself and preppy. By your theory any duel is pointless because the other person will be playing and winning other games.
I have nothing else to say save for news about the match.
a lot of mvc2 players havent played mvc1, xvsf, or msh. low tiers work A LITTLE like the way these games are played.
if this is happening to you, relax, block, and figure out the gimmicks. the reason why they arent top tier is because they cant kill u as fast as top tiers. so take the time to out smart them.
with that said, block, A LOT vs low tier.
i know this thread is on how low tiers to beat top tiers, but a lot of the time top tiers lose to a lot of scrubby low tier tactics.
I love messing around with the screen using Gambits Cajun explosion.
After opponent is killed or you do a snapback. Gambit facing right, expecting opponent to come out of the right side.:
-Cajun explosion forward to far wall. Opponent comes out the same side (right) as intended.
-Cajun explosion back wall. Opponent comes out of the opposite side (left)
-[not in corner] dash foward xx cajun explosion to the far wall, opponent drops in midscreen on ride side.
-[N in C] Dash back xx CE to back wall. Opponent drops in midscreen from left side.
-wave dash forward to far wall, CE on far wall. Opponent drops in opposite side.
-wave dash to back wall, CE on back wall. Opponent drops in midscreen.
I like to drop assist like doom, tron, ruby, etc and ‘trap’ them in between the CE. The CE does crossup on most situations. You also have opprotunity to hit them with a low + assist after the CE, especially if they land midscreen.
The down fall is its very easy for you opponent to come in with an attack and knock gambit out of the CE.
thats not exactly accurate. Low tiers can kill you 1 setup just like top tiers can. For the most part, its the options during the fight that determine low tier not the damage output.
imo, ruby\hulk has the best dhc’s in the game because they kill with 2 bars from multiple setups. The s\s dhc is just better off for high level play but pound for pound, ruby\hulk really owns the fuck out of most things. The damage output is fucking retarded and I can get to 2 bars in pratically no time. sj.rh multiple times, spikes, AC’s, block strings. I’ll be ready to nuke something in no time. Then once I have 2 bars, i’m basically storm with a super that I can control and is safe as fuck. If I land a hit into my qcf+pp super, dhc, your done. Next character plz. I can kamikaze my way to a victory. Fuck team chemistry, i’m going to blow some shit up with easy setups.
morrigan ron, marrow ron, ruby ron, mummy ron, spidey ron and a few others ALL can basically wreck your shop in 1 hit. Ruby ron especially because if they kill a character she has inescapebale guard breaks that you can’t get away from, combo into tron, FS mixup.
Just tried Bison again to find ways to make him work, notta, nothing. His projectiles are so damn slow in start-up they aren’t worth doing at all, in addition to his crappy launcher+possible chargefist messups after scoring one- in aircombos characters will fall out of it half the time just before he can hit the psycho crusher. His very slow movements against a speed demon(in comparison) like strider is no contest, as to who wins in a straight up attack. Strider will slash him 4 times before he can lift his leg up for the high kick.
And WTF? I just checked higher-jin’s lowtier guide and Bison is ranked higher than characters like Charlie, Guile, Ryu, Jill, and captain America? No f’in way…
Excluding the obvious like Guile, lets take Captain America for example. Over Bison caps got: Higher stamina, FASTER movements & attacks which also have better priority, better launcher, better air-combo stuff, Cap’s shield toss is hella more useful than all 3 of bison’s projectiles(inclu. super), Assists, and last but not least his supers are better. So yeah Bison Vs Cap, Captain America will whip dat ass with no mercy!
Gambit/Tron.
“OMG, make it stop!”
Hey sup Zach I started this thread just to hear from all you lowtier players about what success you guys have had with lowtier or lowtier mixed with toptier teams against toptier teams.
I just hope that everybody on here can just appreciate everybodys opinions. Zach knows how to play megaman ive played him many times in tournys and I can say without a doubt that he knows megaman matchups especially against Magnus, so please respect him.
Here in Seattle we have some of the best magnus, ROW,JMAR,KUAN,RAT etc so trust me Zach has played his fare share of magnetos.
BTW---- Please also respect Tron every character counts so lets not start bashing one character thanks.
also when I say against toptier teams I also include teams like msp and strider doom even though stri and psy arent toptier, but they do make up a top tier team. So basically I want to hear what people say about countering those type teams as well as teams like scrub and Cyclops teams and the such.
(Basically this thread is about countering all the tourny worthy teams)
-So please keep the good info coming guys 
You Florida guys need to show me pics of exactly what you’re talking about. I can do overlapped slightly vertically displaced busters, but not this mythical double single file line of busters. Also I’ve never seen nor heard of Ruby/Hulk - that sounds great. For 95% of when I’m playing against people (with a six+ man rotation if I lose…) all I’m seeing is MSx or SSx, so my options are usually pretty limited as to experimenting. Cody’s used to be our dojo, but he fell victim to the Final Fantasies. XP
I think Viscant’s the king of counterteaming - I saw him using Cyke/Doom/Ken (IIRC) against Strider/Doom… that’s probably worth a look.
I need to film this local guy Brian who just destroys you with Zangief if you don’t play 100% keepaway (not particularly great against Cable of course). I don’t think he ever posts on SRK, but I’ll hound him some tourney (didn’t tape this last one) so you can either watch or I can comment on his situational play. He played at UW (against Row and co) for the past three years, so he’s pretty amazingly solid. Probably his best skill is instant 360, so on wake-up if he’s close you’re going for a smashing ride.
I was sad we didn’t have the low tier tourney at Evo. Hopefully next year? Maybe somebody with a camera can catch the next major low tier tourney and actually put up footage. 
Nice. Curious does he ever make use of the Mecha Zangief transformation?
A player at my local arcade is decent with zangief in mecha mode, unless i can play keep away successfully to wear him down, zangief eventually nails me with a piledriver super among other stuff for big damage. His clothesline assist while mecha can also be very frustrating to fight against.
He plays straight-up regular Gief, no mech, and rarely uses the super. He’ll play Gief until 90% life left or so and then maybe switch him out to use Gief-A as backing for Cable/Sent. He primarily uses Aerial Slam to close quickly/fairly safely and if that’s not working does the fairly typical SJ whiffing piledrivers to buy time/meter and let the drones close forwards so that his approach is better covered. Obviously that has big problems with Scrub and a lot of other teams, but since the 2nd level of top tier play (IMHO) is speed/close-up teams like MSS he’s usually OK and if Gief is clearly being countered switches it out to Cable who does well with Sent-Y Gief-A backing.
I used to play double gief back in MvSF, but I don’t really like Mech Gief in MvC2. I’d love to see it though. Cable and Hail Storm kind of make it really painful to play Mech Gief too regularly.
gief is seriously under rated. I’ve fucked around with him in the past and he’s doesn’t play fair. He has double xups and shit and it only gets more crazy behind tron.
instead of a double buster pattern looking like this
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it looks like this
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You just gotta time it really low. Only works as you land, I don’t think you can get a double buster on the same plan in the air. The NJ one actually can come out @ the same height as a regular s.fp.
and ruby\hulk is pretty beastly for the record. I can basically nuke anything in 1 hit.