Capcom yes, but doom is a beast. he was considered top-tier for a while.
His runaway, shoot pink stuff pattern works REALLY well against alot of characters, air photon array is instant making it a very good rush down/cross up tool. He does stupid damage with capcom assist, photon array makes for some pretty safe DHCs, has a really good tri-jump that always leads to big damage…
I think his lack one hit kills ala IM and magneto is the only thing keeping him out of the god-tier.
That and he gets raped by sentinel and cable.
Doom is defiantly in the top ten. I’d say he’s as good as BH.
I don’t see how there can be overall one best assist since they’re used to do different things.
There’s a best AA, best projectile, heal type, best overhead assist etc…
mando is great as an AA and argueably the best AA in the game but he’s not invincible. So he gets snufffed out by tron. thats where part of the balance is going to come into this. Ontop of that, mando is towards the high middle of the pack as a character and he won’t be THAT dominating. He’s still good and probably will wreck shop but there are characters who are better than he is on point.
Um, if you have a low tier rules set without the top four, Doom is absolutely going to be the best character left in the game. Hell, if you take away just Magneto and Sentinel, just that much alone puts Doom back into the discussion. Doom versus Cable is not a bad fight at all, and if you take Magneto and Sentinel away from Storm the best character left to have on a team with her IS Doom. Heck, even as it is, Storm/Sentinel/Doom isn’t exactly a horrible team either even WITH the top four available.
Anyway, I digress. If you take away the top four and don’t get rid of Doom, you haven’t gained much other than to slow down the game and put a different dominant character in charge.
don’t listen to every person and accept whats coming out of their mouth as fact. Think about it for yourself and break it down.
imho, if there was such a thing as the best assist in the game, it would have to be drones. They’re the best projectile’s in the game imo, AND they act as perfect AA in the right situations. Just my 2 cents though.
No this definitely doesn’t need another thread, and a definitive list is gonna be a product of discussion, trial tourney runs, and time so just keep doing what youre doing.
you’ve learned a lot. :nunchuck: quit reading and learning!
imo, its going to get hard to ask people to play by a new set of rules. I really don’t like the current system where its a ratio, some top 10 characters are allowed like doom, strider, cyke but its based upon ratio’s.
IMO, thats too just complicated to explain to players who just want a definitive set way. That way, pro through casual players can play w\ the same rules and the actual low tier shit can get started. If we all play by different rules, when the times comes and we meet @ EVO, what will be the proper rules? It would be dump to practice high low tier teams in one setup but if another set of rules are going to be the standard, a new set of high low tier teams come into the picture yada yada.
^the problem with that, is if that’s all you do, it’d be like you never made a change at all. You’d just see alot more IMs, Spirals, Dooms, and Striders.
the point of this is to get alot more characters used so we can explore this absurdly deep game alot more. I think marvel has alot of characters that can be be broken if given the chance.
Don’t ban Dhalsim, I’d make a big explanation post on how he takes crap damage (from anyone except servbot and a certain-someone’s magneto) but I won’t 'cause…
…all this talk is making me wonder something, where the hell do you guys get to play so many (good) low tier matches at anyway? Most people around here don’t know what the hell a shuma-gorath is, let alone know how to play other characters to a really high degree. I’m interested to hear how you guys will implement these rules if – you know…there are no tournies or gatherings for low tiers. It seems that the only people that this will affect are mixup and shoultzula, everyone else will feel like they just accomplished something when in reality no one is giving any of these matches and characters more exposure. So, IMO first and foremost thing should be: Give those characters exposure to see how they provide the problems people are discussing, that will get people to notice the game in a different level (fun?) and will be providing data for arguments and such about those characters. Sure, there are a lot of obvious characters to ban, but there shouldn’t be so much discussion going on for something so minute (theory fighting?) that isn’t gonna be recognized anywhere. Perhaps if people taped low tier stuff at tournaments and whatnot, things would warrant a little bit more discussion. I just don’t see this taking off anywhere, good luck, I’d love to be proved wrong on this.
I feel that this will be a defining change in low tier tourney structure if people give it a chance.
#1 we need to try it out during one of the larger tourneys.
#2 people actually have to play with the idea of change already set in their minds. If nobody actually tries out some of the possible teams, they’ll just be stumped and unwilling to play when the idea gets thrown out there.
yes…because those dooms/spirals/striders/BHs REALLY give trouble to less mobile (cough anakaris cough…cough other slow/no airdash/crappyairdash/crappy nj or sj/crappy wavedash) characters when played smart keepaway…hell sometimes you don’t even have to play smartly…just go autopilot against some characters.
others like megaman and iceman, while having annoying keepaway, they are not nearly as bad as the super jump+airdash+pinkshit or demons or the knives/orbs…especially when they don’t have swords/rocks/inferno assist…
we already know what those characters are capable of. The point of a low tier tourney is to see the rest of the cast. Which is why I made the rules so that they’re out and the characters who rarely get play are going to playable.
magnetro, the reason why I think sim should be out isn’t because he can over head and shit or he has an infinite. Its because his runaway game forces the other player to simply pick mando. How many characters can actually stop sim from doing that top of the screen dash, teleport runaway? IMO, this is why I’m thinking of banning mummy, the reason why I thought he should be left in is that after 2 mummy coffin drops, most characters can SJ and get him down.
Having sim in will force people to change their team chemistry and in the end, is that what a low tier tourney is? when one character forces every other character to change its team dynamics according to one character, that character has to go. Unless we can say, sim can be in but if he attempts a run away pattern, its automatic loss. But that means we’re limiting one characters options so that other characters can compete w\ him and if you think about it like that, sim is one of better characters in the game easy and he should be banned.