No matter what you have to admit that Snakeeyez is certainly holding his own over there vs some of the strongest japanese players. though this is only discussing his gief not his admittedly just ‘ok’ evil ryu. His ERyu does seem one of the more consistent when it comes to the combos however.
Offline matches:
Snake vs -R- (Balrog) in 2 outta 3 - snake wins in a very convincing manner.
Snake vs Santarou (Sagat) in 2 outta 3 - snake wins but it’s close
Snake vs Eita (Akuma/Ryu[first set he switched after 2 losses]) - first to 5 - snake wins 5-0, also wins another FT5 5-4
Snake vs Machabo (Fei) - first to 10 - snake wins 10-8
Snake vs Nemo (Rolento) - first to 10 - snake loses 9-10 (At one point snake had a 7 game win streak after Nemo went up on a 4 game win streak, was pretty crazy. The last round was pretty clutch too.)
Online match:
Snake vs Hagejin (Zangief) - First to 5 - snake loses 2-5
He couldn’t beat kazunoko if his life dependend on it lol. I wonder if he has trouble vs other yuns as well or if hagejin also has a bad score vs kazunoko.
Kazunoko gives EVERYONE trouble. I remember several japanese players jokingly complaining about him back either in early USF4 or towards the end of AE2012. I think it was Daigo/Mago IIRC.
Also, is there any footage of Snake v Kaz during his visit to Japan? I haven’t seen it, didn’t know they have even played outside of tournaments.
Snakeyez has been to Shadowloo Showdown before and Red Bull Kumite too - and what about Hagejin losing in pools at Nine States Tournament? Hagejin may well be the more talented player, but unless he proves himself consistently at tournaments I’m inclined to say Snake Eyez is better.
What specific things do you think specific players are better at than others with their respective character?
For example I think Snakeeyez lands U2 more than any other Zangief. Hagejin has more tech than any other Zangief. It’s a close tie between Hagejin and Snake for whiff punishing. Snake has the most patience of any Gief BUT I have noticed him becoming more impatient in long sets when he is down multiple matches or when facing crazy characters like Nemo’s Rolento. He is usually pretty patient even when the opponent is down to like chip damage and Snake has 1/3rd of his health left.
Sako is probably the most consistent ERyu in terms of combos. Daigo has probably the best spacing.
Momochi probably has the best defense of all Kens and clearly has the best tech.
BJUnchained has probably the best reads of any Cody, his EX Zonk hit % is crazy. There is a reason people call him “BingoUnchained”. Sasaki has probably the best counterhit conversion rate, especially his ability to land F+MP -> U2. Back when he played Cody, Momochi had the best footsies as well as the ability to put people on tilt by switching from a slow defensive style to a super offensive style and then back again.
Even when Mago played Fei it was clear Fuudo had the best reactions, footsies and corner pressure. Mago probably had better mixups though.
Latif has the best execution of any Viper. His ability to spam multiple feints quickly and consistently mid screen with no errors is crazy. I think there are better Vipers in terms of mixups but Latif has the best execution and probably the best frame traps.
Inco has the best tech of any rufus, definitely the best Rufus now that Justin and Ricky barely play anymore. Justin has the best footsies and patience and nobody utilizes Rufus’ sweep as well as Justin. It’s just a shame that Justin has really fallen off in terms of his effort to play SF4. I mean Justin still easily places but it doesn’t seem like he is serious anymore in terms of competing to be the best.
Yes but look at the competition of Nine States…in Japan, the level is so high that any top player can lose in pools.
Anyway, one thing that should be clear when evaluating players…just because a player focuses more on footsies (for example) over another player, doesn’t mean that they have better footsies, though of course, it really depends on who you’re comparing. Snakeyez has good footsies but I think he relies too much on footsies…in a sense, he does not impose himself as much as he should. Just because some Gief might center their game less on footsies, doesn’t mean they have inferior footsies.
It’s very apparent when you look at Wong’s Rufus…Wong might have really good whiff punishing with Rufus’ sweep but some players might not even bother with that aspect of Rufus’ gameplay. Wong’s divekick pressure, for example, is really lacking compared to MDR and Inco Rufus…even Kindevu. I don’t think Wong capitalizes on Rufus’ main strengths.
Lol, can’t have it all I suppose. But it was that playstyle I tried to emulate while learning Cody. I’ve now since settled into my own, but his Cody is a good starting point. MP rocks -> knife throw -> fake rocks and HK ruffian the inevitable jump in. Simple yet effective
All of the PIE players are pretty bad except for Sci and (formerly) Zeus. Smug is good at exploiting this games mechanics, but his neutral without focus or his broken ass j.HK is very lackluster. Even though it’s supposedly a bad matchup, my Elena destroyed him with just footsies until he finally got in with stupid mechanics and started doing mixups. I’m so glad focus did not exist in SF5, it will weed out a lot of frauds.
To be fair to Smug, Dudley doesn’t really excel in the footsies department. He does have a great focus and jump in, so it’s fair that he gets in that way.
Didn’t momochi say somewhere that fighting smug is completely backwards, like the stuff that should hit doesn’t but the stuff that shouldn’t do. Poongko also said he picked elena specifically to fight smug and not dudley as it’s not a bad matchup for Seth. His strength is being completely unorthodox in some way.
Smug has taken on some pretty top level competition, admittedly he’s been bodied in tourneys, but he’s also won some. To qualify him as “bad” or a “fraud” is a bit over the top. Dude has some serious skills.