Jump forward?
Which corner?
Yes.
both.
on Ibuki’s wake up, my close mk is getting beaten by cr. short (crouch tech)…
is my timming just off? what’s a good timing for meaty cl.mk say after forward throw?
if I understand:
- cammy/rufus/guy are in the corner
- you throw them out of the corner
- you dash -> j.HP
or
- you throw cammy/rufus/guy in the corner
- you dash forward
- j.hp ?
Don’t bother trying cl.MK against Ibuki since her cr.LK goes right under it, regardless of timing. Use cl.MP instead.
= unblockable.
this is a regular crossup on the majority of the cast but it applies SF4 corner glitch:
- Left corner: crossup, but you land in front. (use jmk for better result)
- Right corner: crossup, you land behind.
I tried the unblockable and my results are:
Rufus can do EX snake trike
Cammy can delay her DP
Against guy it’s tough to do because of his ex tatsu. It’s still possible to make it whiff tho. Also guy still has the possibility to use EX run on wake up
but the unblockable works. So a meterless Rufus/Guy cannot reversal
he did say unblockable setup, not safe jump setup though
Please tell me the juri mu is not 7-3 for juri…
6-4
Why is it so bad? I haven’t fought that many juris so idk
well I personally think it’s actually 5-5.4-5 for juri: Not going into a lot of details, juri’s non traditional fireballs can annoy Rose. Reflected or not it doesn’t really effect juri. Rose reflecting a fireball from far range or throwing a fireball makes her open to Juri’s dive kick so Rose needs to approach her but she lacks offense. The thing is that Rose’s footsies far more superior than juri’s and also juri is free on wakeup.
Specifics:
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ground game is annoying if she lk store. vs 2store release, mp/lp/hp reflect 1st fb block the 2nd. never whiff slide because its whiff punishable by crmk xx hk PW. painful and is a good corner carry. (where rose will die). you cant jump fb release as rose can always be anti aired. mid range is so annoying you just need to keep up with fb store/release. EDIT: juri can avoid playing footsie and stay in this mid range fb store/release.
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soul spark is absolutely useless in this match from almost all ranges. juri can jump hk dive on reaction from across the screen for 144dmg. (only full screen spark is safe)
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get me out of this corner:
1)f.throw, f.dash, whiff lk PW, jhk (os back jump) unblockable. cant crouch it. cant dash. cant FADC (you dash into juri she lands infront. guaranteed hit). ex st and ex spiral are punishable by os backjump. no way out.
2)f.throw, backdash, activate FSE, f.dash, jhk (os back jump) unblockable. same as above setup no way out.
OR
f.throw, whiff nj.hk, activate FSE, jhk (os back jump) unblockable.
next combo damage:
- 377dmg = jhk, crmk, cl.mp, st.hk, hk PW
- 461dmg combo = jhk, crmk, cl.mp, st.hk, hk PW FADC, clmp, st.hk, hk PW
throw + combo = almost guaranteed more then 50% dmg out of this unblockable
- any bnb that ends in hk PW, whiff st.lk, jump mk is crossup (always land behind) or jump hp is fake crossup (corner glitch on block, always land front on hit). 50/50
rose must stay out of the corner and try to get out by all means necessary. but its hard given that juris bnb (hk PW) and forward throw covers alot of ground (corner carry). usually takes 1throw 1 bnb to get you cornered.
her throw game is really good. clmk is airborne (similar to rose). in addition, she can kara throw with stmp.
there is no way out of the corner unblockables. only… to man up and learn how to 1f block.
Standing Rose vs Knockdown Juri is a bitch for Juri though.
I think it’s in Juri’s favor, nonetheless, however, you are OVER-estimating Juri’s throw game. It’s pretty ass. Midrange, Rose does compete well with Juri, store fireballs isn’t too big of a deal and you just have to man up and preemptively reflect.
Also, cr. strong is a bitch for Juri to deal with.
Damn I’ve been using bitch a lot lately 
Going to a tournament soon. Any advice vs. Ryu, Rufus, Guy, Vega, or Bison?
But like wise st juri vs knockdown rose. (no way out of the setups I mentioned above, only option is to 1f block).
I don’t think I am over estimating juris throw game. She can…throw, Overhead, frame trap, kara throw, TK dive, stmk xx fb release (regular and ex are +on block)…
Ground game: I am always buffering reflects. Every step back I take is an actual qcb motion… Back and forth… If I see fb release I press hp/mp/lp.
Crmp is a good poke agreed.
Edit: I played a long set vs an awesome juri. (Japan, over 50 matches?). After the set I have been told that I was actually been playing vs aiaitomo.
Updated the thread with Ken and Dudley matchups. Thanks to TheoryFighter and Genistar for their contributions.
what characters does clmk whiff against if they crouch tech?
I know it whiffs on Guy. who else?
ibuki / yang / yun
and Juri. anyone else?