Yeah CvS2, A2, A3 all had sick lariets as far as AA go, and A2 Gief KKK lariet was nasty as hell. But you could duck them in those games lol.
You know the way I see it . . . people who complain about Gief’s Lariat are the ones who cannot or STILL do not know how to deal with it. That’s it. Nothing else to it. ExGH isn’t all that great either, cuz once the opponent guesses one coming . . . Gief gets major punishment. Too slow of a recovery when blocked.
And yeah, please try to learn Gief a little and play as Gief a few match ups in G1 or higher . . . Try not using lariats as much and you’ll see if it REALLY does need nerfing. I see a lot of Ryu players cuz he’s easy to use and one ultra meter fills all that a player is doing is waiting to get that jab SRK -->> ultra. How much damage does that take?? Right, if you know that then whynot we nerf SRK and the fireballs and nerf the lariat. IF that happens, we’ll still get the constant complaining about the lariat.
I play Chun & rarely Ken. Changing the hitbox is unlikely to affect me in the slightest, I just get annoyed by people who are too lazy to read properly.
Except changing the hitbox isn’t going to affect his matchup with Ryu, is it? Yes, his matchups with Sagat, Seth & possibly Blanka are bullshit and he needs some buffs. His matchup with Abel & a good half of the low/mid tier characters are also bullshit and he needs some nerfs. These are not contradictory statements.
agreed
done with this thread. scrubs keep complaining about lariat. if capcom is smart they wont touch it because they KNOW its not overpowered and takes forever to recover and isnt even a fool proof anti air. keep being shitty up in here
Just because something is blockable/punishable (by some of the cast, anyway) doesn’t mean it’s not retarded.
Against Ryu/Sagat you could make the case that lariat is fine. Against the rest of the cast, though, you’re not going to get much sympathy. Lariat needs to be consistent, and it’s not. It has some wild hitboxes and some wild properties, and a HELL of alot of uses for such a broken move.
It’s like if Ryus’ DP when blocked pushes everyone so far back that only Dhalsim, Sagat and Seth could hope to punish it, either with their’ limbs or a low tiger.
“Block and punish guys!” Yeah, I’d punish it if I could.
I wasn’t pointing to you at all. I read and I did read properly. Nothing wrong with the hitboxes at all.
Most bullshit matchups are really blankas and seths for me. Sagats winnable and ryus too. Agreed on Abel matchup but still, a good half of the low/mid tier characters are rarely used online. Abel yeah, I see. I don’t see how Chun has a hard time with Gief. She’s got so many tools and pokes I actually have a hard time with her. Sakura can easily beat out the lariat with her j.hk or was that the j.mk? But perhaps I play it on the wrong days?? All I fight are just Ryus/sagat/blankas/guiles/akumas/kens . . . and i’ve fougth more Ryus than any other characters hands down. Sagats/blankas are 2nd and third in line. On good days I get a variety, but majority of the players are really skilled so I’m just saying the only people complaining about the lariat are the ones who really don’t know how to handle it yet or the ones always getting hit with it. So i’m done with what I have to say about that.
man im so pissed that you guys keep complaining about gief pwning you >.<… he IS difficult to play… noob zangief spam lariat at you because you SUCK!!! try F@#ing them up when they lariat at you, instead of ducking or doing something stupid…? and if Gief is such a easy/noob character why don’t YOU play him… easy win right…? -_-
everyone (most) in G1 uses Ryu/Ken, and in G2 they use Ryu… LESS Ken btw… because Ken is a noob character 
(in my opinion)…
Noobs love Ken because they can easily do a spinning kick and it give them time to do a shoryuken or a easy grab … now THAT is annoying… YOU MIGHT AS WELL NERF KEN… -_- pro prefer Ryu (in my opinion) is because Ryu’s combos are more “sure hits”…
now tell me who doesn’t know how to play ryu’s, sagat’s, etc’s… hadoken/shoyuken… you might as well call those player noobs… also you guys might as well nerf them just because shoyuken/hadoken are annoying… -_- the only character i think should get nerf is Sagat… he is for sure too powerful… quick fireball, high ass damage, crazy ass ultra
on the improvement part… I think zangief is good the way he is… but if you must change something… maybe add an air grab…? or a spin that produce tornado, like storm in X-men hehe… or easier grab combos
You’re so vague, you need to backup what you’re saying much better. I mean, one of the notoriously worst moves in the game knock him clean out of the move everytime, but somehow the rest of the cast can’t reliably deal with it…really? You realize the characters that can blatantly be exploited will probably get something to deal with this anyways right? INDIVIDUALLY, meaning the move doesn’t need a pure nerf as its only really abusable in certain matchups which may or may not be infamous.
The only people i can see getting cheaped out by this move are characters which are almost guaranteed a buff anyways, so why so much hate? Maybe…maximum the only thing that needs to change about it is how much chip damage it does when you are blocking low.
It’s just mind-boggling to me that so many people think this is sooo bad when ryu’s SRK is worse in so many ways. If it were really this broken i’m wondering where the army of giefs is hiding, maybe the army of ryus are providing cover.
Man I so wish I could play you right now.
lol… why… are you a Ken player…? add me up on PS3… it seems like you have a PS3 right…?
well my PSN is Tinnguyen123… i suck LOL 
It shouldn’t stop Ultras. This part of lariat needs fixing, in all honesty.
I mean, Ryu’s Metsu Hadoken, being an exception because it’s a projectile, but it literally stops the other Ultras DEAD IN THEIR TRACKS.
I.E.: Honda’s, Chun’s, Abel’s.
Also, if you’re a Ryu/Ken/Akuma player against a Gief, you shouldn’t jump in or get too close to begin with. Be patient and punish EX GH or mistimed lariats.
Lariat adds to Zangief’s ‘keep the fuck away from me’ game, but it shouldn’t stop the Ultras, that’s just redundant.
If you guys want to get really dirty with the ‘nerf lariat’ thing. I guess being able to crouch under it would nerf it to where it would be strictly AA and projectile avoidance. But I’ll stick to what I said earlier in this post.
Who cant punish lariat? You’re telling me theres characters who cant sweep its giant recovery? Crazy.
Besides the fact that youre playing some shitty giefs who just throw it out like a poke.
Abel and Rufus cannot. Lariat will beat out their sweeps. Seriously, their hitbox is high enough that Lariat beats them out before the sweep hits. I’m pretty sure Rufus can do things although I don’t know what they are, but Abel has pretty much nothing.
Boxer & Honda seem to have to wait until the third rotation, so for them (in a loud room) KKK or PPP lariat is a mixup.
And no, it’s not just shitty Giefs, it’s also Giefs who know those matchups, and know how free a properly used lariat is in those matchups. Sagat & Gief I believe have similar issues, but for obvious reasons it doesn’t affect those matchups much.
Oh, well, soz.
Yups.
Chun isn’t free no. Matchup charts give Gief an advantage, but that’s only because if the Gief is careful and patient and little bit lucky and gets and then keeps her in the corner she has pretty much no options. Mid screen she has better tools if less damage, no argument.
Technically she also has difficult punishing lariat with sweep, but that’s because her sweep technically hits medium for some reason, she can easily punish it other moves. It also requires a high parry from Gouken so I’m not complaining
Well, yeah, I can see it getting annoying when you get Get Sagats/Blankas/Akumas complaining about Lariant and it’s obvious they just don’t know what they’re talking about.
You obviously don’t know your characters well because while I don’t complain Ken is bad (I’m pretty good with him), he definately needs a buff. In a game generally favoring defensive play, a rushdown character (Ken) gets knocked around pretty bad. Hell, the matcup is 6-4 to Zangief’s favor… what the hell are you smoking that he needs a nerf?
I just think you really hate anti-airs and projectiles, all you did is complain about annoying shoryukens and hadoukens… -_-
You’re lucky I’m not on PSN or I’d whoop that ass back to your mother.
effing 09ers.
I don’t know what game you’ve been playing, but Abel does have several options to punish lariat…wheel kick, COD, ultra, c.mk.
Unless I’ve gone crazy, but I don’t remember Lariat being so godlike safe.
Better priority on lariat. Air 720. Needs both.
SFIV Zangief is one of the dumbest portrayals of a SF character ever. Real talk. Which I guess isn’t that bad cuz it means Gief is finally hot shit for once again.
Rufus can c.HP lariat after it’s recovering, or far S.HP to beat it completely. And EX jesus kick of course.
Keep in mind we don’t get a free ultra every time we lariat. Srk is the better tool but I don’t think it should be nerfed. The only reason lariat is strong is because you shouldn’t be near Gief, it’s not like it’s mega easy to land a lariat, there are many options for counter, all you have to do is be patient.
It’s mega easier to land a lariat in SFIV than in other SF games. That’s the problem. Especially with easy ass reversal windows, unnecessarily huge hit box on the lariat, and shitty ass blockstun on everything.