Lariat! The Zangief Wish-list thread

[exogen]

without being specific. I would like to see Geif tweaked to have more closing ability and at the same time have his close quarters advantage nerfed JUST a bit to compensate.

that is to say, I would still like to see geif have the advantage in close but not as much as he does now, and still have him be not as good on closing and mobility, but not as bad as he is now.

in other words, I would like to see the match-ups with geif be less extreme. perhaps bringing down his health might be also needed but I’m just speculating.

[Zanken]

Lariat should shoot fireballs either side of Gief like in Rainbow edition.

[rtdzign]

I would like Geifs Lariat to be like the Super Turbo version. Worked fine in there. Ex version should throw back a fireball.

[D-bus]

EX Lariat please.
I want EX Lariat to have infinite armor, and to do some type of auto grab if the opponent blocks it, oh and this would only use up half of an EX stock of course.

It’s almost like your saying people who play Zangief actually know how to use EX moves. You’re giving them too much credit.

[martyr84]

Nerf c.LK and cross-up LK

Rest is fine imo.

[The_Lone_Dragon]

I would like Geifs Lariat to be like the Super Turbo version. Worked fine in there.

Isn’t gief low tier in both ST and STHD?

[the44show]

Isn’t gief low tier in both ST and STHD?

Yup, but it wasn’t impossible to win with him at all. ST/HDR lariat please.

[ahkeentayway]

Giefs lower body during lariat needs to **only **have invulnerability to fireballs.

Seriously. This.

Honda’s Ultra can be avoided, by simply Lariating.

Oh and The vertical portion of Lariat’s hitbox needs to be slightly trimmed, it’s counter intuitive to have it that long.

[Aquashark]

[06:03] <justinw> i hope they give gief a reflector for fireball

:china:

[prof21]

Gief doesnt need any changes. You guys are complaining about lariats but people BARELY USE THEM at high level play. Lariat is what Gief needs to stop people from spamming pokes like people did in the old games.

The only thing that needs to happen is the console chars should get better at dealing with Gief (except Seth, who needs to get worse) and Sagat needs to get worse overall.

And rather than implement special changes to every character just for the purposes of dealing w/ Gief, guess what the easiest and best way to do that is? Yup, return Lariat to the move its always been before the ridiculous SF4 hitboxes/invincibility.

Gief has always had to deal w/ poking, thats why he has crazy HP.

[prof21]

without being specific. I would like to see Geif tweaked to have more closing ability and at the same time have his close quarters advantage nerfed JUST a bit to compensate.

that is to say, I would still like to see geif have the advantage in close but not as much as he does now, and still have him be not as good on closing and mobility, but not as bad as he is now.

Simple, slightly reduce the nonsensical range of lp SPD (all others including ex can stay the same) and slightly speed up the recovery and effectiveness of greenhand at actually absorbing fireballs. This corrects several problems as greenhand is basically never used for its original intent because its too difficult to reliably time to banish fireballs and its too unsafe, even on hit. As mentioned, you could also speed up RBG or perhaps slightly increase the amount of space Gief can advance forward only during lariat to make up for nerfing the hitboxes.

[Sablicious]

-Better range on PDs… like SF2! :arazz:

-720’ should equal 720’, 360’ - 360’.

-Many more stock throws (he’s a WRESTLER, yet Guile has more throws :rolleyes:).

-Smaller tech window for throw-breaks (again: he’s a WRESTLER).

-Anti-air Ultra.

-Lariat should NOT have invincible start-up frames on his invisible dunce hat making it an all-purpose, easy-to-mash anti-air… suffice it to say.

-PDs connect on splash but do not pull out of combos.

-Fix his pre-match portrait so he looks less retarded.

-Ditch the ‘Red Paedophile’ persona… or expand on it! Whatever… :clown:

-Make him as he was before, a non scrubs’ character.

[AznDreamer]

well Sab I guess i’m a scrub user hahahaha. But making him a non scrub would mean less Giefs and less is always good!! well, in terms of SFIV at least. Lariat should stay the same come on give the big guy a break!! his best AA. Yeah, why does Guile have more throws?? lolz.

[Exia_00]

Gief is a freakin beast. I’m happy to see he’s good for once

I like how he plays. I can’t really find anything to change about him (could be bias… I dunno lol)

Maybe help him out in that nasty Seth match up some how

[Xeris]

-Better range on PDs… like SF2! :arazz:

-720’ should equal 720’, 360’ - 360’.

-Many more stock throws (he’s a WRESTLER, yet Guile has more throws :rolleyes:).

-Smaller tech window for throw-breaks (again: he’s a WRESTLER).

-Anti-air Ultra.

-Lariat should NOT have invincible start-up frames on his invisible dunce hat making it an all-purpose, easy-to-mash anti-air… suffice it to say.

-PDs connect on splash but do not pull out of combos.

-Fix his pre-match portrait so he looks less retarded.

-Ditch the ‘Red Paedophile’ persona… or expand on it! Whatever… :clown:

-Make him as he was before, a non scrubs’ character.

Well, coming from a Zangief players eyes… I really don’t count Lariat as your all purpose easy to mach AA. Lariat isn’t THAT good.

What do you mean connect on splash but not pull out of combos?
This is confusing.

Only questions… everything else sounds cool heard of Siberian Blizzard yet?:nunchuck:

My wish for Gief is that he gets to be a real boy. >.>

Or that he finds a cure for that nasty virus that turns his hand green.

Best. Wish. Evarrrrrr.

Gief doesnt need any changes. You guys are complaining about lariats but people BARELY USE THEM at high level play. Lariat is what Gief needs to stop people from spamming pokes like people did in the old games.

The only thing that needs to happen is the console chars should get better at dealing with Gief (except Seth, who needs to get worse) and Sagat needs to get worse overall.

Well… they could just make everyone better lawl… no point in making a character worse just because of one match up. I like Zangiefs Match ups, the hardest of which being Gouki, Dictator, and Sagat… lawl Seth too I guess… I don’t count him cuz he looks hella stupid.
You are right, however Lariat is a nice anti rushdown card.

[bluASTERiSK]

EX Lariat please.
I want EX Lariat to have infinite armor, and to do some type of auto grab if the opponent blocks it, oh and this would only use up half of an EX stock of course.

I hope this is a joke.

[bluASTERiSK]

he needs hit box nerfs, its cheap where lariat can even hit. Zangiefs are no better than Shotos online to me.

[TheKingSeth]

-Lariat should NOT have invincible start-up frames on his invisible dunce hat making it an all-purpose, easy-to-mash anti-air… suffice it to say.

NO! I disagree with you. Lariats invincible start-up frames is the only way to punish enemy air attacks.

And I wish EX Lariat:

• more powerful than normal lariat.
• Invincible while doing it.
• No recovory.
• reflect fireballs
• if enemy get hit, they get suckt in into it, like Rys EX axaxaroken(or whatever its called)

Air thorws, but not air piledriver, that would be way to powerful and unbalanced

[BrentoBox]

I will play a new version of SF4 even if the only thing changed is Gief’s lariat. It needs to get nerfed that badly.

[pedoviejo]

Air thorws, but not air piledriver, that would be way to powerful and unbalanced

whats the fucking diffrence you cant fucking tech air throws…
wait a second have i been…