what kind of stick? ive heard that its too deep for most cases, but I don’t know for sure. I am kind of interested in trying one out myself.
The 309mj fits in about anything.
its a recreation of the hrap3 case, which is almost certainly deep enough for it.
Yes the Infiltration 301 lever will fit JLF Sanwa mounting plate. But I heard that the Infiltration body is kind of wide so just make sure your prepared to trim some plastic off if anything.
would the Myoungshin Fanta fit on a TES+? i am buying a new hori fightstick and i would like to change my TES+ sanwa stick for a korean stick.
i know korean sticks fit on the RAP N. but i love the hayabusa joystick and i want the N. with the hayabusa.
quoting focusattack.
i am pretty sure the stick don’t fit on a TES+
do you have a RAP N already? ive been debating this same thing for a couple months now. I ended up pulling the trigger on a joytron exchanger that i found on ebay. it comes with a crown 303, so the fanta should drop right in.
On default, no. You need to create a 35mm hole plus have a mounting plate like the Kowal flat plate converter.
no, but is already buyed, the stick should come 21th of this month
thanks for the info, you need to creat a 35mm hole on a TE2+?
Yes, Jasen’s Customs offered custom panels which included one for Korean lever support. It’s currently not available.
just got my golden crown kit for my 309mj.
tried red grommet with the smallest shaft (8mm) and biggest actuator (16mm). it was a little too stiff but not terrible. switched out to the blue grommet, tension was great but i was banging into the collar way too much. switched the shaft to the middle (9mm) and it feels really good. i still hit the collar sometimes, but its only in the corners. i think i can adjust to it. the stiffer grommet does feel like a workout though. when i get the chance sometime over the weekend, ill try the green grommet and the biggest shaft.
overall i am pretty impressed. thanks to wazwuz, I can’t wait to get my golden fanta kit now 
I picked up the Golden Crown kit from the post office today, just barely scratching the surface but off first mod with green gromet, 1mm spring, 9mm shaft, and 15.5mm actuator it’s already a drastic improvement in feel over the stock 309MJ. The quality of your gromets compared to the stock ones is visually obvious.
If I can offer any critique, I would suggest bumping the dust washer diameter to 31mm, which would allow it to be used without stacking and still be able to cover the hole when in action.
I forsee myself taking my HRAP3 apart many times over the next few days…
Thank you for the feedback.
Bigger Dust washer indeed will cover more but I’m afraid it will get in a way when using longer throw shaft. so I use default size.
I need some input regarding the spring, is it good idea to remove the 0.6mm and swap it with 0.9mm or 1.2mm spring?
a n00b question about korean sticks.
what is their story? i mean, superficially they have some common things with american sticks, battop, bigger than japanese joysticks, no gates, and the happ super superficially reminds me to korean sticks, i am not saying they are the same or feel similar, just that korean sticks superficially have some things in common with american sticks and i want to know why.
https://www.arcadeworlduk.com/products/Happ-Super-Arcade-Joystick.html the actuator and switches visually are similar to the ones in korean sticks.
Korean sticks actually have more in common with the old American Wico joysticks than Happ. Wico also used rubber grommets for tension. I wonder if the Fanta was inspired by this?
Korean sticks mimicked american sticks, no doubt. Some K-levers even imitated japanese sticks totally, such as the Crown 302 which has a JLF snap on type gate and metal bearing with plastic socket as in JLW.
Syng N Kim patented a grommet based lever design for WICO in 1981,US pat US4382166 (I already posted about this) . Grommet mounting was very precise and sturdy, see below why, but it had several serious flaws.
It is intriguing that this designer’s name was Korean.
It is impossible to say who came out first with the grommet idea, few companies really patented their products and often the patent differs from production model. Many companies copied what others were producing sometimes with small improvements, so you get the picture.
WICO grommet was likely a rebranded industrial vibration mount, type is natural rubber isolator overmoulded on thin square metal frame and also around a central brass bushing, thus these three grommet components could not be disassembled.
Rubber formula at the time (late 70’s early 80’s rubber) was shit and prone to failure, sluggish feel, today the same type of vibration mount can be found in industrial parts catalogs, probably with an improved rubber formula see here, third row from top :
https://www.vibrationmounts.com/Store.asp?Page=Products2.htm
Now google WICO grommet and presto you see what it’s all about . It has very little in common (apart from cylindrical symmetry) with the actual k-lever parts .
First notable grommet “evolution” :
1982, Qbert arcade cab, by Gottlieb, had a grommet based 4 way stick .
Google up Qbert joystick to see the parts.
Grommet was very thick , no central bushing, nothing in the design to prevent it from rotating inside the housing.
Grommet differed a lot from the WICO type, as it was much simpler in design: a simple rubber cyinder with a central bore, no grooves no nothing.
No seperate dust washer, it was small and integral to the shaft, thus said shaft slided laterally on top of a protruding collar which was part of the joystick body .
Switch array was what probably inpired Sanwa to make their JLF : the same array (simple pin plunger switches) with round section actuator.
Aperture on the bottom is exactly like what is seen today in Fanta and Crown sticks : integral to the plastic body (in layman terms not a seperate gate like with sanwa or seimitsu) .
This design is probably what inspired both Suzo 500 STC grommet lever and the the most popular K-levers (Fanta, Crown 303 up to 309), except for three things, K-lever grommets have anchoring recesses in the grommet destined to match posts in the housing to prevent rotatiion during play (and thus reduce wear on grommet) , fanta goes further with rounded square grommet for additional stability (but also an issue due to additional resistance with diagonal inputs) . Second notable difference is the switches used are levered in k-levers while in Qbert not. absence of grommet bushing with Qbert grommet obliged the designers to modify the shaft design so that pushing through the bottom of the stick and the grommet would be impossible . K-lever friction collar is also a top restrictor in a way, but presence of bushing permits an open collar top and a simple plastic loose dust washer, as preventing pull out and push through is assured by the grommet bushing+grommet housing design.
Suzo STC500 rubber grommet version (only difference with plastic ball&socket version is the grommet) reprises the Q*bert collar design (shaft and collar type although of different shape have exact similar function, both have integral “dust protection” protrusion on the shaft) but the grommet now gets a concentric groove , is much thinner but as with Qbert still doesn’t have anchoring locations in the grommet so spinnning inside the housing is still possible.
MCA grommet stick is 50/50 a qbert (bottom aperture/integral restrictor) & Suzo500(round top collar ).
Coin control sticks also had a Qbert style bottom aperture (who made the Qbert really?)
1983, Sinistar cab lever (seen in another cab too), made by Williams and or WICO : it had a completely different grommet, not cylindrical , a “spider grommet” as per its official name.
It mimicked the 4 spring array for tension in military and industrial joysticks, but the 4 springs are replaced by one cross shaped rubber part which was fastened at its 4 extremities, center of the “cross” has a central bore for fitting the bottom of the shaft , the latetr reduced to a very thin diameter. Sensing board was …optical , a novelty at the time. google up “sinistar spider grommet”. Never to be seen again in gaming joysticks and no korean stick ever imitated this design afaik.
There were many other grommet joysticks in the 80’s (some had metal sheet bodies, most sported similar industrial grommets as the WICO ones, who knows which ones came first and if WICO produced or licensed some of these models: Midway sticks, Nintendo metal joysticks, Taito Pacman cabs etc etc ). Old style metal body Nintendo levers had an aperture in the top steel mounting plate which served as a top restrictor (no collar, plate was flat). no need to say that contacting the integral “gate” felt abrupt and the wear on shaft and aperture was important .
Imho sticks like the Samducksa 303 and Taeyoung Fanta resemble a lot a the Qbert stick, like an improved 8 way battop version with grommet bushing, redesigned grommet with anti-spin feature and grooves for better flexing, redesigned grommet housing with locating pins and finally levered switches . in fact a fanta or a 303 is relatively far from the WICO grommet+leafswitches design, as there is a tremendous difference between the actual type of korean grommet and the industrial part used by WICO at the time, and the leafswitches used today by Crown for 307&309 have a microswitch mounting format with small leafs (2nd gen as seen on Hibal’s blog) whereas WICO and others all used industrial standard leafswitches.
To sum it up, bottom aperture/restrictor , loose “frameless” rubber grommet and hollow plastic top collar/restrictor in a Fanta seem to stem from the Qbert lever and similar models.
Uncommon sticks like the Samducksa 302 (JLF type square snap-on gate, JLW style metal pivot in plastic socket) mimicked japanese sticks while 304 was very loosely imitating a WICO with several notable differences (grommet and switches were different see above) and 305 switch mount design was directly lifted from IL eurostick( aka Happ competition for USA) with no restrictor and square actuator.
People have often noticed the similarity between early korean designs and american sticks.
Funny detail: Happ distributes a genuine Crown stick without mentioning the brand or perhaps a clone, the SEGA Pink keymaster crane Joystick, for a japanese SEGA crane cab.
Since this is a Japanese mounted style stick, what you provided wouldn’t be the standard size. What I’m proposing (31mm) is actually smaller than what comes standard on Japanese sticks, but big enough to cover the hole when the joystick is fully extended.
Take a look:
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I won’t even bother with the light spring. I like the quality of the 1mm spring over stock so I think that’s worth having in the kit even if by itself. Maybe a heavier spring may be worth trying.
So I WOULD need the Conversion Shaft in order for it to fit in a JP mounting stick? I have a Qanba Q1. I’m trying to see if I’d have an issue fitting a Crown in my stick.
edit Yep. Apparently the bat tops are permanently attached to the lever. Makes sense.
I don’t believe the q1 is deep enough to put a Korean lever in it even if it is Japanese mounted.
I probably wont get to it for a few days, but I got a Q1 for a guest stick, I can try sticking my 309MJ in it when I take it back out to try a different grommet from the golden kit.