When did the tier list thread become the fucking I WANT MAI OH DEAR GOD IS SHE IN THE GAME THREAD??!?!?
Get over that she wont be on the initial release, and talk about the damn characters already in the game.
I think that if that list has Kyo and Joe at teh top then you have to put Terry at the top as well. (I doubt that Joe is top tier reguardless)
He too has ‘damaging bnb comboes of of light attacks’ in addition to teh reason you already mentioned. His poking range is rediculous. His DM is very versatile in combos or as an anti-air. One of the best CC comboes in the game. Good cross-up. Good damage. Good block strings. Hes good.
I’m saddened by clark being low tier, as well as a couple things about him, although I haven’t played the game at all yet, just things i’ve seen about it.
I hate seeing how high clark throws his opponent, It was just great to see him toss them up effortlessly off the screen, but now it shows how high it is. He also doesn’t pose the first throw or do his yell when he finally slams them =/
I just wanna see someone repping clark on some vids. (and the usual sorry if this has been posted already and whatnot).
S Rank: Kyo, Iori
A Rank: Terry, Andy, Joe, Shen Woo, Kensou, Ralf, Kim, Ryo
B Rank: Robert, Ash, Chin, Raiden, Daimon
C Rank: Benimaru, Duo-lon, Leona, Athena
D Rank: Clark
Wow Clark gets his own shitty tier to himself. Even I wasn’t that cruel to him when I attempted to make a tier list
That’s mostly a good list but I don’t agree with Kensou and Kim being A tier. Robert, Ash, Raiden, and probably Daimon should be higher too. Ryo is debatable but he’s looking really good in those Yokohama vids. Duolon has so much potential to be good too. Benimaru shouldn’t be near the bottom like that. Aaaaaaaa it’s so hard to make a tier list for this game cuz it feels so balanced
Damn, I really disagree with a lot of the list; mainly Kensou being that high (compared to Robert). Iori, although has some interesting mix ups, all revolve landing a command throw that’s not that easy to land. The rest of his moves are good but nothing special, I don’t think that’s significant enough to give him that edge.
Kyo’s easy to see. Joe however, I still believe he should be S.
so in other words i was right. i already said ryo seemed better than robert (most fo you guys disagreed), seems i was right abut that. in other news, bbh, i told you, you where missing out on kim, he is in the a-tier for a reason it seems. the tier list seems almost exactly like i would have put it up, cept for kensou being that high. i thought he might be a solid b-, but hes a- instead. soo, not bad, as ive made these assumptions based on vids only. :karate:
edit: the reason i presumed ryo was higher than robert was cause of the eas of doing high damage cobos starting from low light attacks, unlike robert who can do what after a low B? a dp? also when your in the corner against ryo, you know your gonna get fucked by 50% damage combos, without the use of dm’s.
From what i’ve currently seen or played against, i don’t think Kim or Kensou are at the same level as Joe. I think they are both ‘OK’ at best. (Though i’m told the Japanese are very good with Kensou)
I don’t think any of those characters in A are on the same level as Joe, the character is pretty stupid IMO.
I don’t think Clark is bottom tier by himself either.
He isn’t good, but he isn’t complete crap. They need to give him some more friends in Bottom tier land.
Yeah it’s kinda misleading, I’ve always felt that “tiers” should be more like:
S= Needs the least amount of work to pwn (e.g Krauser '98UM)
A= Needs some work but you can still easily pwn with (e.g Joe XII)
B= Decent, but still good enough to pwn with (e.g Chin XII)
C= Harder to pwn with, but with some work you can still pwn (e.g Clark XII)
Or something like that. The C ranking, by itself, has a negative connotation whereas it really shouldn’t have.
i dont know, pawning with clarck seems hard just from the vids. hes got a really short grab range, even for specials and supers. normals are good but hes hardly got anything to combo. thats a lotta work to win.
From the MANY vids Ive seen though (haven’t actually played the game so take my words with a grain of salt), clark has some great footsies. his normals have stagger properties and most of them can be dash canceled out of. this sets him up to dish out pretty good damage (not the best but pretty decent). He is more of a character that is heavily reliant on mindgames more than anything
The problem with videos is that you’re just watching a match, you don’t really get to see or understand what kind of tools a character really has other than what the person playing that character has figured out. Doesn’t mean that every video containing Clark is being played with the epitome of understanding, just means those people like Clark, but can’t play him. The Yokohama videos have shown more of the tools Clark has and he’s not as brute force as he probably could have been before. You have to do more work than previous to do the same thing which means if you aren’t on the ball or the opponent can react to you well then he can mess up a lot of things.
I don’t think ALL of Iori’s mixups revolve around his command throw. He can make someone’s life hell even without it, seeing all the other stuff he has. Quite possibly the fastest hop in the game gives him scary offensive capabilities, especially seeing how all of his jumping attacks still have priority and all can be used in a certain situation. His other normals are still good too, neutral stand D is amazing anti-air and crouching B still shrinks his hitbox like crazy vs. jumping attacks. His DM is still solid as anti-air or punishing fireballs too, and a free juggle if you fish against random jumps with dp+P. Going to respectfully disagree that command throw is hard to land too, because I swear it has some weird priorities going on with it where it’s the one throw that actually has the capability to NOT get stuffed by attacks every time. Maybe I’m imagining things but there were times I swear I pushed a button but got grabbed anyway. Hop A into command throw is the dirtiest tick and I can’t wait to do that to people online.
I still don’t see what makes Joe top. He has a good crouching B but most of the rest of his normals aren’t great, Tiger Kick isn’t as good as people make it out to be, his CC isn’t quite as damaging as a lot of other chars, he has waaaay less of a mixup game than Iori…
Wow, based on a tier list made by two people you’re acting like you won a Theory Fighter tournament here. You’re not getting a trophy, dude.
First of all, do you think this tier list is set in stone? As everyone says it’s pretty early, and magazines have a little bit of lead time before they get published. Things change all the time. A few months back Arcadia said C. Viper was S-tier in SF4. People freaked! Now she’s in B-tier. Who knows what happened that bumped her up to S in the first place, but things change, and this is a game that’s gotten heavy play in Japan for nearly a year. KOF XII hasn’t gotten anywhere near as much attention and it’s been out for less than 3 months. As with any other listing of this sort, they shouldn’t be taken as gospel.
I’m missing out on Kim? Okay, explain to me what he has that puts him in A tier. You seem very happy to see me wrong on the matter, never mind that there were other people in one of the threads recently agreeing that Kim didn’t seem to be that good in this game. Why am I being singled out here when you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone else that agrees that he’s that good? Where are the videos of Kim raping people, since you make all your judgements based on videos?
As for Ryo, he’s better than I originally thought, but better than Robert? Nope, still not really seeing that, maybe they might end up being pretty close in the long run but I still wouldn’t put Ryo above Robert. What does Robert have off a low? cr. B, cr. A, f+A xx DM. Ryo’s DM’s aren’t even fast enough to combo off lights so he can’t combo them that way. Ryo’s non-meter corner combo does NOT do 50% either, it’s pretty good damage but nowhere near that much, let’s not overexaggerate. Robert just seems like a more versatile character to me.
Uh, everyone’s C and D attacks have stagger properties on counter-hit.
You shouldn’t have even wasted your time. All of his posts are a joke (kind of like alot of the other posters in this forum). And just like other said members, if you call them out, they wont even realize how wrong they are. Evo and Affinity just for starters. http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7002253&postcount=71
See that? I called his bluff and he didn’t even acknowledge it. He’s just a terrible troll. HA HA LOOK AT ME! YOMI SON! I KNEW KIM WOULD BE TOP!
People take the information BBH and Kane and other members hand out about the game (note: they’re experienced KoF players and they’ve had more time with the game than pretty much anyone else in the USA so yeah, I guess that means their thoughts posts clarity) and just shit on it. What the fuck for? Is there some kind of secret theory fighter tournament or something? Where else would you guys get your information about the game from? I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be CyberFaggotx.
Seriously, me and the KoF forums, we’re fucking done professionally.
