KoF XIII General Discussion: Part II

[Demoninja]

Terry can now do 2B 2B 2B 2C hit confirms into a combo

Also, this http://sabworks.com/mboard/giefwhattha.gif

Edit: Combo is actually 2B 2B 2A 2C. There was a question about whether it was 2C or 3C update in a bit.

[BiGGDaddyCane]

I wana hear more about this Iori 98. (HYPED)

[Demoninja]

Takuma’s stun combo is still in it and his can’t block overheads glitch has been taken out.

[DeathReaper47]

K’…BUFFED???

SNK, explain this bullshit

[AzN_Skater]

K’…BUFFED???

SNK, explain this bullshit

Yah, seriously, what the hell.

[Mightfo]

who cares

it’s a fucking incomplete list of changes from one single guy on twitter, he might not have noticed other k’ nerfs

[Demoninja]

who cares

it’s a fucking incomplete list of changes from one single guy on twitter, he might not have noticed other k’ nerfs

Everyone commenting and the one posting it seems to care.

Yes it is an incomplete list but he’s still at evo giving us the things he notices. Obviously he’s not going to catch everything and all of this is subject to change.

[Mightfo]

Well, I care if K’ got buffed. However, things don’t happen in a vacuum: If everyone else’s comboability got buffed, then that makes it much less significant, or if he had other nerfs which counterbalance it. I find the latter to be much more likely and it’s hard for me to rush to conclusions on day 1 of some guy testing an incomplete build at evo.

though i have no qualms with actually telling snk “btw i really hope k’ doesnt only get buffs unless it’s a universal thing”

[Demoninja]

I’m sure more confirmations/edits will be made in the next few days but here is my preliminary report:

-Liz’s midscreen, 1 stock no drive 511 damage combo now deals 391
-Shen’s gotten a slight damage decrease, I couldn’t quite figure out where but Kunio’s 799 (1 stock HD combo) now does 777
-Duo Lon’s Ex f.AC now has more hit stun (or better recovery for DL) so that he can do s.C or s.D (before it was a near 1 frame that allowed only for d.A, and if you’re close enough you can link that to s.C).
-Duo Lon’s NM has finally been normalized and now does 448 instead of his silly 400 he used to do. (Most characters are 450-500 in the arcade version).
-Maxima’s air vapor cannon now holds him in place for both version and then after he’s done he either goes forward or drops down (I forget), but not backwards.
-Maxima’s damage has been decreased slightly.
-Goro’s dp+K, [DC] hcf P seems to only work in the corner now (WHY?). His NM has been buffed to 571, yup!
-Kyo’s hcb+K is no longer safe, is also does not build much drive or meter if it connects. It seems only useful for combos from now on.
-Kyo has his air Ex Orochinagi
-All characters that we tested all had aerial Ex DMs like Athena and Mai.
-Kyo can do d.B, d.A, df.D [1hit], qcf+K midscreen now.
-Overall, hit hitboxes have been adjusted and it’s harder to cross characters up now. It was noticable as we couldn’t get K’‘s j.B or j.D to crossup.
-Chin is now top tier.
-K’‘s hop no longer goes over a standing opponent.
-K’'s second shell (qcf+P.f+B) now juggles opponent higher and when preceded by an Ex qcf+P, allows the second shell to hit twice, and hence combo into his qcf x2+P DM like in the RS trailer.
-Shen’s fully charged qcf+P now only removes 50% of the guard gauge.
-Mai has been buffed overall. Her air.d+B has faster recovery making it kinda safe, her air.qcb+P is also safer.
-Mai’s air DM now falls “natually” as she travels across the screen a la '95 Mai’s hidden air DM.
-Mai’s air Ex DM also MaxCancels into NM.
-Mai’s Ex Ryuenbu has startup invincibility.
-Mai’s A Ryuenbu has a larger vertical hitbox acting like an anti air (assumingly it’s like her beta version).
-Terry has a d.A, d.C link which helps his hit confirmation a lot. Gave us an instant Fatal Fury “feel” to it.
-Takuma’s stun combo juggles are much harder to perform and the timing is real tight.
-Joe’s NM comes out FAST. Can pretty much punish air attacks on reaction.
-Joe’s NM when MC’d, will wait for the opponent to drop from the Screw Upper, automatically releasing it for you. It’s a damaging MC.
-Joe’s Ex DM travels across the screen now.
-Joe’s D Tiger Knee now has startup invincibility somewhat similar to XII but not as extreme. B version is faster but has no invincibility.
-Liz’s Ex DM now does no pushback on blocked opponents
-Liz’s Ex counter only allows followups with specials, not normals.
-Liz still can do the reset DM midscreen still (personally tested).
-Beni’s Ex Raijinken now holds the opponent in position allowing you to follow up. I believe CMD.Duc did (corner), Ex Raijinken (qcf+AC), A Raijinken, dp+K. Overall CDM.Duc says he’s been buffed.
-Ash’s Ex qcb+P now juggles even grounded opponents.
-Ryo’s dp+A seems faster, his parries are faster, and his Ex hcb+K seems faster.
-Andy’s d.D is slower now and no longer as abusable, it still can hit anti-air but seems to trade more now.
-Andy’s Zaneiken is safe on block now, but he’s also pushed back really far himself.
-Andy’s Ex hcf+K, d.D is harder to connect now mid screen.
-Raiden’s dropkicks have finally has its charge time increased. Despite initials reports, 1.1 did not change his charge time from 1.0. Personally, I must have charged ove 20+ seconds and I could not get level 3 to come out. If you land the DK midscreen, the opponent will fly away really far not allowing a follow up. His double DK shenanigans still work in the corner.
-King and Hwa Jai’s slide both cancel now by themselves.
-King’s NM has been fixed, it now goes further and when MC’d does full damage.
-Mature’s qcb+K has better recovery
-Ralf’s Vulcan Punch now knocks the opponent away after two hits.
-Clark, sadly, seems unchanged.
-Leona’s HD combos have been nerfed slightly.
-Kula’s corner juggles seem harder to connect.
-I was kidding about Chin, he seems unchanged.
-Saiki is very strong from what I saw from No.17 and Oscar messing around with him. He feels very mid-boss in terms of damage but I may change my mind later, naturally, Oscar has decided to pick him up and drop Liz =)

Once again, I apologize if I misreport something or I have left something out. There were simply far too many changes to record them all let alone let my overstimulated mind process.

The wait was *** all worth it guys ***, my hats off to SNKP. The game feels like a HUGE improvement over a near perfect XIII 1.1. Speaking of labels, I dubbed the console version XIII.5 and Aram from Atlus seems to agree with me.

I want to thank Aram, Mike, and Yu (?) for putting on such a fine setup for us hungry fans; you guys are so awesome I can’t really say it in enough.

Day 1 reports end but stay tuned as there are more announcements coming throughout this weekend. I need some sleep now.

[MWisk_2]

[quote=“Demoninja, post:249, topic:127095”]

Awesome post!

I’m mega hyped now! I wanna see how differently console XIII will evolve from now on! Thank you very much for the updates Demoninja!

[Demoninja]

I’m just copy and pasting stuff over. If you really want to thank someone go to dreamcancel.com and thank Kane317 and TheAnswer!

Also here’s a japanese press release if anyone can translate it.
http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/press_releases/pdf/110729_01.pdf

[shiningnegro]

I’m just copy and pasting stuff over. If you really want to thank someone go to dreamcancel.com and thank Kane317 and TheAnswer!

Also here’s a japanese press release if anyone can translate it.
http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/press_releases/pdf/110729_01.pdf

just using google translate even though it not the best its still pretty good

-some kind of “Booking Bonus” (preorder maybe?) seem to get some kinda download
-additional characters only listed Billy left the other unknown
-last arc of the Ash Crimson story

• online ranked matches and non-ranked matches (invite friends)
  -time attack(regain hp/characters), survival(dont regain hp/characters), trials(sf4/bb/mvc3 style we all know)
  -tutorial mode
  -arcade, vs mode, practice, replays, gallery and customize(u can customize characters in this game SWEET!)

[Demoninja]

Okay thanks shining! Most of that stuff was obviously going to be in there already. The first point is if you preorder you’ll get a code for Old Iori who’s going to be DLC. We know human Saiki is playable because of the videos from earlier.

[Femto_1]

I hope they don’t give us paid DLC 'till next year.

I hope KOF XIV is a Dream match with High-Def and res sprites.

I hope Shermie is in the home version of XIII.

[c001357]

incomplete list of changes
lmao why was k’ buffed and clark unchanged

[BiGGDaddyCane]

Im kinda not suprised by color edit mode but extremely happy its in.

BTW Screamed FUCK YES @ 2:20

(Crys tears of joy “classic IORI”):clapdos:
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[AzN_Skater]

Does color edit mode include editing the characters name like in cvs2? Cuz that was fucken awesome.

[affinity]

There are hints there are 5 more characters to be revealed besides Saiki, 95Iori and Billy. I think Those from the Past will get their own team (Botan, Shroom, Rimelo).

And the other 2 will be Adelheid and Momoko.

[Demoninja]

More info from dreamcancel

K’ nerf details by [COLOR=#135887][COLOR=#ffffff]17:[/COLOR]

2B can still be canceled.
Air Minutes Spike drops faster after hitting, but there’s longer recovery.
EX Second Shell floats opponent high and far, but Minutes Spike can still somehow hit.

EX Minutes Spike damage down from 150>110 on ground, 120>70 in air.
Slight Frame disadvantage after Iron Trigger, both strengths.
Chain may be a little harder to connect.
Second Shell’s hitbox is smaller. 2A or 5C>6A, 5C(2nd hit)>Weak Iron Trigger> Second Shell won’t connect.
Second Shell’s recovery is longer. Weak Iron Trigger> Shell > Feirce Minutes Spike > Feirce Crow Bites won’t connect (weak will).
Short hop D has smaller hitbox, doesn’t hit if done on the way up.
Fierce Minutes Spike whiffs against crouching opponent (weak will). (I assume he means weak doesn’t whiff? -SAB CA)
Weak Crow Bites damage down from 60/40>50/30.
Narrow Spike recovery is longer, frame disadvantage when Blocked.[/COLOR]

Kula’s Ex Ray Spin lost invincibility, Andy’s s.C now does two hits and both are cancellable.

Iori’s qcb AC lost invincibility.

Clark’s B SAB now has autoguard

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Color Edit mode? Prepare to see a bunch of naked Yuri’s online and…shudders violently naked Raidens.