I have them on youtube…you can download videos straight from youtube, I just forgot how.
Also, I only have three of his videos, and they are his last three (I think). I’m missing parts 1-4.
yes but the quality is lowered once the file is on youtube…
what do you guys think about those players?
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Those guys have some pretty good reaction…I don’t know why the K’ player was throwing out Heat Drives though. Also, they keep jumping and getting hit by anti-airs.
emil, do you have vids of beastly K’ ??
someone have frame data for kof2002?
I know I’m a scrub but whut is up with players who run at you full speed get close then jump straight up, you do something, then they retailate, grab super or combo etc
I was tired and I got caught by it a few times… it weirded me out.
any theories I know it sounds easy to beat but this guy I was playing had it down to like zen type concentration, anyway just a crazy thing I experienced, help a brother out plz, thnx
And who was doing this? That strategy is kind of weak…just wait them out…if they jump like, just run under them. If they just hopped up, then do an anti-air normal or intercept them with a fast air to air jump.
You’re talking out of your ass here. There is NO KoF 2002 tourney on SBO. And when it happened (years ago) there was no great reward as well (300 bucks or something is a great reward now? Mexican tourneys pay much better than that)
Please stop making stuff up. The only way to compare players is to send whatever japanses players you bet on to the bigger and beter KoF 2002 tourneys in the world, the mexican ones.
Mexico has the bigger specialists, the most competition, and the tournhament scene. japan played the game 4 years ago and are considered no match to Mexico by anyone that saw their videos or compared their gameplay, like Emil.
If yopu want Japan to be acknowledged as good in KoF 2002 (as opposed to now), then yous end the japanese players to a real mexican tourneys, because Tougeki DOES NOT have kof 2002.
I am pretty sure mexicans are more worried about those brazilain angels on Dark Geese’s thread (don’t mix them with the crappy tourney posted by vkuwabara) than about some random japanse who has not touched the game in 4 years.
Until somebody proves otherwise, Mexico rules KoF 2002, and Japan is not even considered a top place for the game. MvC2 may have stronger players in Japan then KoF 2k2 nowadays.
And the “10 hours a day stuff” means nothing. Mitsu was playing MvC2 ten hours a day and lost to Wong like 100 to 3. Hours of practice have barely anything to do with being good, or else everybody could be Michael Jordan.
And about tiers, Angel and May Lee wins in Mexico, and Angel and May Lee wins in Brazil (lists by scrubs do not count). When Japan learn how to play Angel and May Lee like Mexico, they’ll lead their ranks as well.
I hope DG manages to do the Japan vs Mexico duels he was talking about. I’ll bet money on Mexico against any takers.
mexican tourneys are something different from what you can see in japan
they don’t need tournaments 'cause of you go into the lamest game center you’ll find PLENTY of players
mexican tourneys somewhat supply to the missing of a fluent scene…so the most important aim for a tourny is to collect ppl and attract them with money smell
for what i know until now everyone that went to japan to challenge them at any fighting game got his ass kicked
this is a reality
until i don’t see a mexican that kick japanese ass i won’t believe thei’re stronger (and this won’t mean that compared to other nations the mexican level is inferior)
oh c’mon
whole mexico feature hundred players
in japan you talk about THOUSANDS
they have game centers with 3-4 dedicated cabinets for each kof, 3s and the most important game
there are strong players among mexican i never said not
the average level of japs is so far from other countries
stop talking about SBO/tougeki they change games every year…it’s normal that every year you’ll not have the same kof
tougeki don’t mean nothing
tougeki is only a show for the jap strenght
they have tournaments EVERY day
you can go in japan (a friend of mine did) and get your ass kicked by any chick that use BC mode better than any combomaker out there
mind games, strats they’re on another planet…they have much experience 'cause they play competitively EVERY day not once in a year in a lame tournament where the only noticeable matches are quarter semi and finals
the fact that can fake everyone is because japs don’t care for other countries
so they don’t share knowledge, vids or so
they don’t show their ability so much…or at least they don’t care more than a little
just dig in some websites…there isn’t a single word in english or other languages by japs
but they have so many strats that you can’t imagine…last day i saw a translated website for kof2002
they have the hella stronger strats, frame data, hitboxes and so on
but non any single english word (in fact i managed to stole only few stuffs jap translators are crap)
oh, c’mon
i have so much respect for dark geese’s work
but i won’t call final round X or whatever a pro tournament
just see those ngbc matches, only one overwhelming strategy against a noob and nothing more
in 2005 RF (one of the strongest jap so far) went to usa and kicked so many asses in such bad way
there’s a vid called RF evolution on youtube check it, the 2 ppl are from the strongest elite in usa for what i know…well they were no match for him
another guy told me that they untl kof XI trained every single day to beat them…but they didn’t succeed once
i repeat myself…mexico can have a stronge average level
but they’re no match for japs, at least since i’ll see khanibal, esteban or anyone else travel to jap and kick theyr ass
mexican gamestyle is surely strong, but they have lotsa flaws…first of all khanibal keep raping everyone with orochi yashiro 'cause they don’t use alternate guard
i didn’t see once an alternated guard in a mexican vids and most of them don’t even know its existance…i remember the first time i talked about it over cyberfanatix everyone was there kinda WTF?
bullshit
training 10 or 20 hours a day said like that don’t mean nothing
but just train for such time with a monstruos average partner level
surely hayao won’t train with scrubby ppl
he can (lucky him) train with the strongest, see the strongest reaction, bait the strongest minds
and playing so many high level matches can only improve him to become better every day
i want to remember you how it works in jap
they have a great fighting spirit, they play almost exclusively in arcades when you lose, you lose your coin (money) and your turn queuing yourself back for you don’t know how much turns
so they always play to win
and sorry if i say that growing in an habitat like that can only mean that the worst player surely rape everyone everywhere outside japan
Jordan kept playing with the strongest improving himself every match in every season
surely kanibal and esteban are strong
but they don’t train with other strong guys, just check their vids on youtube
oh, c’mon
japs are thousands mexican are hundreds
among mexican there are only 2 or few more strong angels and may lee
but they can’t use choi or athena or billy japan style
so it’s not so difficult that choi is considered in a lower tier placement
c’mon bart continue owning every choi in avery tournament
and it’s well known that choi vs terry is A PAIN for terry
i didn’t see once any effective athena or billy or choi
that’s also why they keep owning such choi scrubs
Why do you have to see a mexican beat a japanese in order to think they are better? Did you have to see the Japanese beat some other countries to think they are the best? No, you observe their gameplay. In Kof2002, the mexicans are just better…
I don’t see how this proves anyway…you can say the same thing for mexican websites, they don’t really have a word of english there either.
Please don’t put Realkim on the level of “strongest elite”, that is a joke. I don’t think you know much about realkim. He is a weak player who only really knows BC combos.
Esteban, Khannibal, Hugo, Severo, Lalo and many other players are above the majority (if not all) of Japanese players.
Um no, they don’t have the flaws you describe. We already talked about alternate guard’s weakness. Secondly, Khannibal doesn’t even use that many tick throws, so alternate guard is useless - the opponent has to block the first attack before beginning an alternate guard.
I don’t even see alternate guard in Japanese videos, so you don’t really make much of a point. Alternate guard is used like once every hundred or so matches in very specialized situations, and then it’s never used against for fear of getting killed.
Well you don’t even know how much the mexicans train so this point isn’t very good. I’m sure Esteban trained about that much as well to get such an amazing Angel.
What? Name me some players they don’t train with that are strong? They constantly fight other good players.
Umm, I’ve seen Chois, Athenas and Billys (Kula’s Bily comes to mind) that is above those of the Japanese.
I’ve seen a large variety of good chois, billy and athenas.
i already told why i consider japs stronger than anyone else
did you went in japan?have you seen their effective level or you’re judging by 3-4 vids that are around?
haha
mexican websites are lame compared to japs my point wasn’t about languages
just dig in ‘comesonobravo.cbj.net’ and see by yourself
i didn’t see any mexican, english or whatever website with such pro stuffs only some combos and basic knowledge
i was saying that japs don’t care about others, don’t care to share knowledge with other countries
in fact no american, european, pakistan, mexican board feature jap expert that share his experience
i know that you and realkim have some fights for some obscure reasons
i don’t care…at evolution he was there to challenge japs as one of the strongest american
i repeat again,
mexicans can be hundreds
japanese guys are thousands
really emil, i appreciate your knowledge as one of the best around in srk and cx (before you get banned)
but you seriously lack knowledge about alternate guard
in big bang tournament in khanibal kept ming gaming his opponents simply with orochi yashiro’s jumpin C wait hcf A/C
or full screen run and throw…
i’ve already discussed this with him…he said ‘i’m a grapple specialist’ i say meh they don’t know how to deal against grapplers
japanese tier lists don’t have so many grapplers in the upper positions
mexican tier lists have ramon, vice, maxima and orochi yashiro as top/high tiers
'cause japs don’t use tick throws…i already have discussed this…i don’t see stuffs like crA run close and grab
no way
their game is all about poking and landing throws while opponent is not in guard stance animation
i already told you, show me some japanese vids where thei tick throw their opponent and i’ll acknowledge you
check youtube khanibal profile he put some new matches
last week he went to another city to challenge guys but their level was poor
and even the other khani matches with his partners are’t that great
surely i want to see how far can go esteban…he’s surely stronger that the average of any country but imho his opponents let him win so easily
again there,
japanese guys in arcade centers play every day and there are so many players that they have 3-4 cabs with the same game
maxicans are not more than 100
where the knowledge and the average level grow the most?among 100 players or among 1000?
show me then, i saw too many low tier ownage…and this mean that they don’t know how to use kof2002 god tiers
hands down to their angels and maylee
but i can’t imagine khanibal in japan owning choi with maxima
He didn’t use it all the time but we he did it was very effective, I’ll try the running sounds good.
I have like nearly a thousand japanese matches…
Don’t understand what your point is anyway. Oh, and I did use to have a website that shared many in depth strategies (with screenshots and all), which was Japanese…but now the site doesn’t exist.
He misrepresented America.
Dude, Maxima and Orochi Yashiro are not high tiers in MExico. Only Khannibal really uses those characters.
Alternate guard is weak because sometimes Khannibal does multiple fast jumps, and if he sees you alternate guarding, he’s immediately going to sweep you out of it…he will make you want to stop alternating, in which case you cannot start alternating again until you block another attack (in whichc ase, he will continue the mixup of either throwing you there, or, if you think you can escape by jumping, he will combo you before you leave the ground).
I’ve seen some of them use it. It doesn’t work well with normal throws because you can techhit all throws with CD.
No. His opponents are stronger than most japanese players.
In theory, you would be right, but it doesn’t seem to be true. It’s just like how in theory, making the use of marijuana legal in some countries would make you think that everyone would be smoking it, but for some reason they smoke it far less.
I’ve never actually seen him fight a Choi, so I’m not sure how he would handle it. But I can very much imagine Abraham owning Japanese chois.
If you think RF is going to stop the mexicans, you’re very much wrong…in fact, the Mexicans aren’t the only ones I think are better than the Japanese. The Taiwan players totally demolished japan in terms of execution and intelligence in the last tournaments I saw. Korea destroys them in kof2001 (and who knows what else).
you still won’t understand how AG works and how useful against a grappler it is
multiple fast jumps are easily handled…in kof2002 you have enough time to react to multiple jumpins
in kofXI not
orochi yashiro can’t sweep you from a pixel
sweeps have a slow startup and every decent player can escape easily
plus once OY (or any else grappler) is going to sweep you mean the he’s not anymore in range for a grab so after a couple of low pokes you have to quit alternate guard and care only to sweeps or jumpins
and afterall i already told you that the speed of the alternate guard dance is enough to let you guess on the next attack and react on close ranges
the most important thing to discuss is the mind factor
once you succesful avoid and punish ONE tick throw attempt your opponent surely have to think twice before attempting again
in kof 2002 a lot of character can make you lose the match with a 2 stock combo
so, in your mind will come an amletic ‘tick throw or not tick throw’ question
a smart player decide to always avoid any tick throw strat once he know that his opponent can AG too risky to land only a grab damage
so for who have to deal against a grappler things become little easy making his opponent lose more than 50% effectiveness
The…point…is…he is going to stop you from alternating the guard (especially if he jumps with a whiffed attack). Then you CANNOT start alternating anymore, because you already stopped doing it, unless you block another attack.
sweeps have a slow startup and every decent player can escape easily
plus once OY (or any else grappler) is going to sweep you mean the he’s not anymore in range for a grab so after a couple of low pokes you have to quit alternate guard and care only to sweeps or jumpins
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Well no, it is very easy to do instnat run up grabs that execute far faster than hyper hopping into grab.
Maybe, but for me, I’d actually want you to start alternating guard. It allows me to do high/low mixups while you are stuck thinking of which way to block and when to stop/start alternating again.
And once again, I don’t see any alternate gaurd being used, yet there are so many tick throws (with command throws mainly) used.
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Look for Severo’s matches.
eh?
alternate guard bug activation requires only you to be in guard stance animation and alternating stand/crouching position
and once you start dancing at the required speed your character won’t leave the guard stance
this is how AG really works
and once you guard a jumpin i don’t see nothing that can prevent you from starting dancing again
surely hh into grab are more relyable against ag 'cause it’s always a 50/50 between jump attack or land and grab
poke then run and grab is completely nullified by AG
no, you didn’t read
i only AG when you’re close to me, within throw range
once you’re not able to grab me i don’t ag anymore and i start care only about sweeps overheads or jumpins
If he doesn’t do a jump attack or happens to whiff it, then he just screwed up your alternate guard entirely.
No, you didn’t read. Once you are out of range, you will stop alternate guarding, but this is obviously when the opponent can just do an instant run up grab, or run up ground combo.
ehm…right usage of the alternate guard suppose that you block an attack before start dancing
and only when you’re a pro user of this you can take advantage of guard stance acquired from whiffed pokes/moves at distance
obviously you stop AGing only when you see that the distance between you and your opponent is enough that don’t let him an easy run and grab…
run up and combo is nothing 'cause even if you’re not AGing anymore you still can be in guard stance…so i see no problems
remember that we’re talking about decisions that have to be taken between 3-4 seconds
and afterall surely a good kof player won’t sit his ass there eating any mixup…once your opponent is pushed away at a desidered range (maybe one where his far attack animation come out) you have to exit any disadvantage situation / regain your pressing
again, if you also find that your opponent is going to trick you, there is still the lovable CD to blown him away and start breathing again
Didn’t understand anything you said…and you didn’t see my point anyway.
The point is that if you ever leave the ground when he starts a combo, he will combo you on the ground. If your alternate guard has ended and he dashes up quickly, you will have to guess fast - either block his run up combo, block and get thrown, jump and avoid his throw, jump and get ground comboed.