Lol. Who’s running? I havent even denied your shitty little mm. I work, No time to travel clear across cali just to go to a tourney that more than likely wont happen.
OMG!!! Boss chars with extremly high priority,damage output and massive combo potential!!! They must be like PTX and Lightan in TvC. They must be like Sentinel (not a boss but it should be) in MvC2. Like Old Sagat in ST. Like Seth in SFIV. Asides from the boss thing, they must be a powerful as every single character in every single fighting game when well played. Combo potential
The only difference is that none of the others are banned, and their communities sure as hell don’t ban things on the first week. Even Smashers didn’t ban whole characters prior to the game’s release. You’re looking like scrubs to the eyes of SSBB players. You can’t go much lower.
I see. You can see deeply than Sirlin, Wong, the Evo organizers and all those noobs :rolleyes:
Let’s also ban the EC from MvC2 and Japan from 3S at Evo. How fun!!!
And lol at the idea of keeping it like the original. Nobody plays the original, and some guys seem dedicated to keep the scene as small as ever.
Geese, don’t get me wrong. I support you and your work in the scene 99,9%, but this ban hammer makes the community dumber and dumber every year. The SRK way is to play the hell out of it until it is proven beyond belief that you definitely need whoever to win. That was common sense until a couple years ago.
Then as it stands now The following are banned:
-Clone and Original Zero
-Krizalid
-Igniz
-O. Rugal
Geese and Goenitz though are the real question and thats the most consistent answer I’ve gotten thus far across the board on all forums, on instant messengers and other things…
-DG
Sounds good. Close this abomination you call a thread.
Trust me though, I’m gonna playtest the hell out of those characters…I’m not just gonna take peoples observations…
I’m gonna playtest a lot of them…both here and in Mexico to get a good feel…and we could revisit the NESTS Bosses + O. Rugal once time has passed also…
I think that banning Geese and Goenitz though right now is going a little too far…
They aren’t as powerful as the Big 5…
-DG
Well you can’t call that yet, the game is still fresh. I say run a boss free tourney.
If you care about this scene and even having a small shit chance of attracting newer fans, play the most strictly legit KOF possible. By allowing anyone on that bottom row you are disrespecting this release and the tourney will be a waste of time, and even money it takes to get down there and other shit. Why even do this? Nothing so far has been memorable that has been done this way. Remember the NW young geese stuff?
My POV is perfectly intact on these issues. I’ve entered LEGIT tourneys and my last one my team placed third and lost to Amir and 5 star, so don’t dare call me a idiot when I decide to play games legit and work my ass to get good. You want everything immediately and a tourney where the rules are bent to your favor only so you can zoom through weak players with cheap ass bosses, lets be real here dude.
Do you know why Goenitz is on that bottom list? Cause he is a fucking boss, and he has sick ways of setting things up that are gamebreaking. I wish I could just fuck with this release for 5 straight hours and show you all the BS that a already broken boss can do when you activate max in mid confirm ontop of the bs that exists already, so seriously, don’t even go there.
SNK majors? And who is this ‘we don’t think it will’, what have you contributed that can compare to other scenes? The 3S scene for example, the top players are amazing, put in amazing time and dedication to the game, they don’t use fucking gill in tourney. Seriously, if you got ahold of 3S before anyone else, you’d use gill in tourney and make some argument like ‘oh they could always parry’. You are so biased on these issues, you really don’t even see how ridiculous this shit sounds to the rest of the 2002 players.
I played KOF 2002 for a long ass time, the game is important to me, and to see you make another tourney with sidewinder rules put in place to benefit for a release that is like a dream come true for me is annoying as hell. You’re making fools out of the players to because by having this rule, you’re losing out on all the fun experiences people will have seeing these new LEGIT match ups by putting casual rules into tourney play.
Neo 2002 is the OG, okay that is great and all, but do we have to disrespect a newer release that has potential of bringing in newer fans because of some shitty rules? You know how that tourney is gonna go, unmemorable boss abuse bullshit.
Gesse seems like he should get a soft ban, the other 2 are bannable I say…but at least were all on the same page that al the unlockable characters minus 3 are officically banned.
We is the panel of people I have that are helping me run the tournament and people I’ve talked to in different countries.
With all due respect to your POV…until we find something super broken with Geese and Goenitz and feel they need to be banned…this is the direction it seems for now…
Responding to anything else you have to say is just simply not worth it…
Plus also see the vote??? Option 3 is still winning… So I’m letting the community decide…and thats what they are saying…
Dont agree? Thats fine…like I tell others and I am sure Larry agrees… “FEEL FREE TO RUN YOUR OWN TOURNAMENT, GET YOUR OWN SCENE ETC.”
-DG
U got it wrong friend, im trying to just keep some integrity in the scene…nothing more and nothing less.
it really isn’t that hard to reasonably decide who is too good and who isn’t. As it stands, it seems only Geese and Goenitz are the only candidates who fit that model.
quit banning shit so fast; especially if the next tourney you’re doing is at MWC
It could be at Final Round if somehow I’m able to pull it off…
Of the ones I’m 100% certain need to be banned- Igniz and Krizalid. The others trust me I’ll do research on…starting tonight when I play Gualberto.
-DG
How can you possibly think that you’ll be improving the integrity of something that hasn’t been properly tested?
We are not the smash community, if it needs to be banned, it will be proven first.
leave it up to the players DG, any other approach is without credibility unless the characters are proven to be broken.
Orrrr, you could simulate time-release characters for competitive play! Just start off with only eight characters that are allowed, and then every week make another character tournament-legal: sooo HYPE!! You could even put little pieces of tape over the TV to cover up faces on the character select screen…
I’m not highly competitive or anything like that, but I agree with Power333 and I think Deadfrog’s point of views that the game should be played more extensively before the word ban has to come out.
Yea, the bosses seem overwhelming, yea, but back in the days of ST Akuma wasn’t even banned until it became apparent that to beat Akuma you need Akuma…and O.Sagat still isn’t hard-banned, merely soft-banned
I mean, I see that Krizalid at least is “overpowered”, I used him in Endless the other night and got 50 more wins than I should have, and had to make myself stop playing. Yea, it was the CPU, but I’m not very skilled at fighting games in general. Everyone can see that most of the unlockable characters are really strong. But Power is right, the SRK way is to play the hell out of the game before determining bans, not ban something the week the game comes out.
Geese, Goenitz, 99 Kensou, 00 Takuma, and 00 Robert allowed.
Everyone else banned.
For two reasons for Geese and Goenitz, and not Rugal, Nightmare Geese, and the NESTS bosses:
- Geese and Goenitz were already in the PS2 2002. Technically Omega Rugal was too but he was obviously meant to be broken.
- Geese and Goenitz technically weren’t bosses in the NESTS saga.
I personally hate the fact that Guess and Goenitz are sliding in, they still seemly roughly S++ IMO. Well anyhow I still move for there ban but it seems like the community is agaisnt me in this, anyhow how is Shin Kyo?
I personally won’t make any judgment calls as far as allowing what in MY tournament unless I see any relevant tournament data.
That being said, having two tournaments to enable that judgment call ain’t enough to get any consistent data.
Then again my opinion shouldn’t mean squat since I haven’t had any face time with the game.
[media=youtube]7zbnepitrs0&feature=related[/media] Why guess should be banned.
people can do that same damage with less meter why does that matter
i go with let them all, see what happens, and then ban, the chars that should be banned