The Japs don’t suck at the game just because the Chinese are slightly better at it. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
And the Chinese tier lists are almost identical to the Japanese ones.
What was the score at DNA2? Did the Japs even get any wins against top Chinese players? What about SBO? Japs didn’t win KOF98 in the last 3 years at least.
oh yeah i guess americans are good at third strike and alpha 3 … the japs are just slightly better. lol
im better
That’s not a fair assessment. Firstly, the event wasn’t called DNA2, I think DNA2 is just a group of people that convert videos but anyway, in the Chinese vs. Japanese tournament, there were two parts.
http://asanoc.dee.cc/nicchu/results1.html
In the first one, the score was tied. In the second round, all the Japs had to fight Xiaohai and he is the best player in China. If the Japanese had to fight Xiaohai and Dakou as their last opponents, and Oogosho went first for the Japanese, he would have probably beaten all of the Chinese players until Xiaohai and Dakou came up, and it would have looked like the Chinese and Japanese are on even grounds. So yeah, you can’t really rate their goodness on the result of this tournament.
At SBO, yeah Chinese won but it was extremely close. Seems XIaohai and Dakou were pretty nervous, too many of those double KO or one pixel victories in the last rounds of the tournament. They didn’t seem as consistent as when they played in China.
tournies aren’t fair. sbo isn’t fair. it just is. the results speak for themselves. it only takes one really good player to win a 5 on 5 country team battle.
tiers differ by country usually. not significantly - but in practice yes. perhaps i should not say tiers but tourney character results.
and chinese play kof98 much more than anyone else. it is obvious that given their population and comp they would be the best. america is the best at mvc2. everyone plays this game in america. but outside of maybe top 3-5 players - can any scrub in america beat the best player in country X? no. japs are good at GG - their community is larger.
in some countries you can win with a “match up character” e.g. Jack5 in tekken 5 USA. in other countries you win by pure execution and technical skill - devil jin / korea.
Well point is, the best player in the world just happens to be in China, and in the second part of that tournament, they all had to fight him and happened to have lost (and btw, Raian did beat Xiaohai eventually, and then Heipi right after). If they had to fight Xiaohai in the end instead of the beginning of that part of the tourney, the results would have been vastly different because in general, the Japanese are pretty even with the Chinese besides two players, Dakou and Xiaohai (and possibly Ching Lung).
So yeah, Japanese are still reallyl good at kof98, so are Chinese. There are just a few Chinese players that are better than pretty much all of the Japanese. Although, I still consider Oogosho to be the smartest player in kof98 and probably gives the best Chinese players the best competition.
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I’ll take Mexico in 2002…
I don’t understand what was the point of those 2 videos, because it is of Dakou (China) beating Oogosho (Japan) which is pretty much the point that China > Japan in KOF98…
I’ve been watching a LOT of the KOF98 videos on Youtube lately, and honestly, the japanese players aren’t as good as the chinese players. They’re still very good, but when you watch Dakou or Xiaohai play, it’s CRAZY.
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However, the Japanese players who use EXTRA mode are pretty crazy… they always seem to win, with their damn Kyo.
I didn’t notice any Chinese players using EXTRA mode.
No, it illustrates that the matches are not very decisive because they are far too close. Dakou and Oogosho are pretty much the same in terms of overall ability.
But Dakou and Xiaohai are the best Chinese players, and the rest of the Chinese players, aside from maybe Ching Lung, are on the same level as the Japanese.
There is a crazy Taiwan player that uses Extra mode…Dandy J posted it.
Well, I like Oogosho cuz he plays Ralf.
And that Extra mode Taiwan player…
I’m surprised he didn’t use Robert… but
What I’m more surprised was that he “stopped” his dashing into Kyo’s firefists, when the opponent was dizzy, as if it made it seem more “honorable”
I mean, he could of just repeated until KO
You’ll usually see players do a combo rather than resume the infinite when they get the opponent dizzy. It’s just more worth it to take the guaranteed big damage + knockdown than go for an infinite that’s easy to mess up.
slightly?
xiaohai’s iori and dakou’s kyo were almost untouchable by japs
also i like yang’s style (taiwan) for being in the sbo grand final with a middle tier team
japanese have an OLD conception of the game
first of all due to their ‘little effort high reward’ policy, everyone just pick up god tiers only for them being god tiers and nothing more
that’s why you can see that crapload of useless OY, daimon and such (and trust me after 150$ spent for the whole lame duelling the kof dvd set i can carve those words on stone)
oogosho is one of the best for sure
but he’s too basic with ground pokes, a game like that can do decent against japs
but DNA2 was a rape for his ralf
as side note he just keep picking ralf clark and the god tier of the game in each kof, his gameplay stinks as hell and if japs and other keep considering him good wow that’s the result for jap having his ass kicked in sbo
DNA2 is a branch of duelling the kof
it’s the acronym for Duelling the kof Native Action more precisely direct matches japan vs china or jap vs taiwan (or some other small country coalition)
i watched every single match of that tournament
chinese are on another planet
with this i’m not saying that everyone can go to japan and kisk ass
but chinese are showing how fresh kof98 is still
well I think you’re wrong. Who are these useless Orochi Yashiros, Daimons, etc? Jojo? Kikko?
Watch the matches again. It was his Ralf that almost took out those guys single handedly. Also, there is a new tournament I uploaded, the Kojin tournament…more matches there between these players.
Ralf isn’t really a god tier in kof98 or 2k2. And the guy actually uses Angel in 2k2. Also, he didn’t get his ass kicked at SBO. He just lost the match.
They’re not, since the only Chinese people that “dominated” the Japanese were Xiaohai and Dakou. Your evaluation is unfair because you are using like, two specific players from China, to compare to the average players of Japan. The other chinese players, except maybe Ching Lung, are pretty much on the same level as the japanese players, and Oogosho has proved he’s pretty much at the level of Dakou/Xiaohai.
read my post again
i’m referring to whole japan attitude
i’ve already said that the whole set of duelling the kof dvds show proof of that
those set include 16DVD with more that 50 matches each
in 98 you only see god tier whoring
in 2k2 there are at least two out of billy, athena, choi, kim in a team
and no BC even when at full stock/big chance to own
and the most used one is kim C/fwdB BC C DM
i’ve also said that oogosho is a good player
too basic, too static but still one of the best
also remember that ralf is an easy but effective character to master in 98, by simply poking is really hard to allow someone to get close
i can’t remember where i said that ralf is god tier in 98 or 2k2
altough he’s among the top ones (high damage, strong pokes, low learning curve in mastering)
i simply said that he pick ralf + clark + game god tier
his characters are:
ralf clark OY in kof98
ralf clark billy in 2k2 (at 2nd sbo he was using shermie btw)
ralf clark gato in XI
his gameplay is pretty much the same in each chapter
ground game ala kof98, non BC in 2k2 few tags in XI
so i said that his gameplay stinks
oogosho isn’t there
in DNA2 the only one able to take down few matches of xiaohai/dakou were the guy with robert/joe/kensou
and if you watch those match closely you can notice the ‘other planet’ i’m talking about
chinese iori’s are fresh, quick, damaging choosing always the best outcome from any situation
using the fireball+run glitch to come close and combo again or some other trick that i’m not mentioning here
kyo’s are the same, corner reverse guard after air reset, whiff throw bug against waking up yashiro etc etc etc
no japs showed those stuffs
Yeah well, I have many very high level japanese matches from both 98 and 2k2.
Oogosho is not basic at all…just because he is a primarily a poke and throw character doesn’t mean he is basic. The guy has virtually NO detectable patterns, and extremely good self awareness. His gameplay is very complex.
What about in SBO? The guy almost lost multiple times and Dakou really choked, worse than any Japanese player (besides that Yamazaki guy who choked even worse). Also in the kojin tournament I uploaded, Oogosho and a few others showed they are up there with Dakou.
The things you mention doesn’t necessarily make the chinese better than the Japanese. It’s more than just doing various tricks.
If the tricks are useful (and they are) forcing the opponent to fall into the trick/situation means that you outplay them/are better than them.
yes, and how many variations from god tier teams you’ve seen?
almost none
simply because in each game they keep picking the same top team over and over
no?
lol
tell me the meaning of ‘basic’ (at least yours)
poking and throw ONLY can’t lead far in the long run and that’s how he got beaten by chinese
complex gameplay?xiao and dakou show ten times more attack, pressing and defense strings than him
oogosho didn’t win sbo
oogosho didn’t win kojin
he lost
and sbo is ONE tournament out of 4-5 held for kof98 for ch vs jp (so choking chinese isn’t an excuse)
in kojin oogosho lost 0-2 to dakou at 8->4 each match at 5th round
but he didn’t managed to win a single one
how you can tell that he is there?i could accept a 2-1 with a close last match
but he didn’t win at all against them
dna2 is another proof of that, both xiao and dakou win at least once straight against all of the japanese (xiao 2 times dakou once)
both lost ONLY to the robert/joe/kensou guy (xiao won the first time but lost the second one dakou lost at the first try) and he is still the only one who can keep against them
heh
this quote is scary
chinese have gameplay variety japs not
even if the knowledge is ‘almost’ there
have you ever seen so many (risky) tricks in jap gameplay?
have you ever seen that wonderful ub fireball setup after second iori’s qcbC?
have you ever seen from them kyo’s crA into DM on a running opponent? (well this may sound risky but it’s guaranteed damage)
when japs showed iori’s air/groung game?
listen, after seeing chinese in action wach jap match i watch is boring
japanese iori are boring, kyos are lame
their daimon and ralf are boring
their gameplay stinks that’s why they lost
and this year’s sbo will add other glory to china
You’re not even right here either. Have you been watching recent kof2k2 matches? Why are they picking Vice, Mature, Robert, etc?
Almost every attempt Dakou made on the offense, got himself countered. In the end, the guy just ended up landing some ambigious crossups and even then, Oogosho was able to block almost everything. How much do you really pay attention in these matches?
You can’t use this as a basis for Oogosho not being on their level.
But he played equally as good, if not better, than Dakou. You evaluate the goodness of the players in a pretty one dimensional way. If you look closely, Dakou was actually very predictable in his attack patterns and he got countered almost every time. He just ended up landing a lot of strange crossups which accumulated damage over time. Plus, the guy won from one super risky Chris SDM when Oogosho had done everything right the whole match.
Oogosho played better than Dakou, but lost.
showtime matches feature everyone
serious tournanent show only top tiers
at least lead me to these ‘new’ kof 2k2 matches
btw i’ll tell you everything once i’ll get the duelling the kof 5 dvd (release scheduled for february)
but really in that dvd i’m looking forward for MIRA
your statement is ridicolous
mainly because we already said that a single match don’t count
dakou OBVIOUSLY can fall easier than oogosho in counters
because it’s more aggressive and it’s playstyle (and his characters too) require him to attack attack and attack mixing up low pokes into jump
with obvious waste of some of them on opponent’s guard
remember that i did not said that oogosho is a bad player so if he block/counter it’s because he’s aware of his doing
but dakou still bring victory home that’s enough
heh
both kojin and sbo did not show oogosho in the 4->2
sbo had 2 chinese, i tw and one jap (kyokugendo) in the best 4
your oogosho didn’t even reach the quarters
are you joking?
except that SDM rush (wich i have to agree even if ralf thrown a slow predictable sweep)
oogosho in both matches switched only corner waiting for dakou to attack and fall to pokes/counters
dakou on the other side showed more than 10 different attack strings
dakou very predictable?
he did not attacked twice with the same string, obviously from your couch it’s easy for you to say ‘predictable’
i repeat that oogosho had 2 chances to show his superiority in kojin and failed both
dakou got third place in sbo
owned at least once each jap in dna2
got to the grand final in kojin
oogosho win, well, nothing
This is very true; after watching Chinese players use Iori especially, japanese Iori’s are really boring and the same style.
This also goes true for Daimon, where japanese Daimon’s 90% poke only, where Chinese Daimon’s go with more mindgames. A good example of this is [media=youtube]Ef5_Cmezl6U"[/media]. The Daimon play is much better and different than the japanese style Daimon