KILL! The Urien SFV thread!

[trinifella1]

AAs are f+MP and the H fireball (usually required a read or a telegraphed jump). I’ve seen Chris G using effectively armored tackles as a far AA. I think st. HK has a good hitbox too.
How do you win with your slow moves? The same way Nash does… by not letting them in and by using your surprising mobility to your advantage. Urien’s dashes are actually faster than Nash’s and go even further; his pokes have an absurd range and he can easily rush in if needed. And he also has an invincible reversal, something Nash doesn’t have.

As a Nash main, I’d say thats exactly what Urien feels like- Nash with a reversal. Only thing he is lacking is his ability to score a knockdown of light confirms without spending

[Hatson]

Don’t know if it’s common knowledge or not but Urien’s beta mix up of :
Cr.hp, h.sphere, v trigger (far), knee press, f.mp, headbutt
It does not work anymore
If your using it, don’t expect a mixup at the end

Not sure what you’re saying but you can still cross-under them with headbutt and do the 100% stun combo easily. There’s a ton of ways to do it as well.
Here’s my old version: https://www.twitch.tv/travallama/v/81942927

Here’s another new version: https://twitter.com/Yung_D_Rezz/status/779204297842126848

And variation of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzkwwmRftBo&feature=youtu.be

Still possible in a ton of different ways.

[Gemini_hk]

It seems that gief is really free matchup for urien

[Hatson]

It seems that gief is really free matchup for urien

Yeah you can’t even meaty SPD / throw Urien if he Reversal LP Headbutts because first 2 frames of wake-up can’t be thrown and if he wakes up with LP headbutt, which is airborne on 3~19F, he’s essentially immune to any meaty ground throws on his wake-up or +2 -> grab situations if he Reversals with LP headbutt in these scenarios.

[A10metal]

Don’t know if it’s common knowledge or not but Urien’s beta mix up of :
Cr.hp, h.sphere, v trigger (far), knee press, f.mp, headbutt
It does not work anymore
If your using it, don’t expect a mixup at the end

Not sure what you’re saying but you can still cross-under them with headbutt and do the 100% stun combo easily. There’s a ton of ways to do it as well.
Here’s my old version: https://www.twitch.tv/travallama/v/81942927

Here’s another new version: https://twitter.com/Yung_D_Rezz/status/779204297842126848

And variation of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzkwwmRftBo&feature=youtu.be

Still possible in a ton of different ways.

Odd I’ve always had the f.mp destroy the aegis by pushing them back in. Might be doing it too late

[Only_Ash_Remains]

Don’t know if it’s common knowledge or not but Urien’s beta mix up of :
Cr.hp, h.sphere, v trigger (far), knee press, f.mp, headbutt
It does not work anymore
If your using it, don’t expect a mixup at the end

Not sure what you’re saying but you can still cross-under them with headbutt and do the 100% stun combo easily. There’s a ton of ways to do it as well.
Here’s my old version: https://www.twitch.tv/travallama/v/81942927

Here’s another new version: https://twitter.com/Yung_D_Rezz/status/779204297842126848

And variation of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzkwwmRftBo&feature=youtu.be

Still possible in a ton of different ways.

Odd I’ve always had the f.mp destroy the aegis by pushing them back in. Might be doing it too late

In the last video, I walk forward slightly (it’s got to be between 1 and 3 frames) before I do the aegis and then I do MK Knee. I used to use lk knee but ran into the same problem you did. Now it’s free.

[Dime]

AAs are f+MP and the H fireball (usually required a read or a telegraphed jump). I’ve seen Chris G using effectively armored tackles as a far AA. I think st. HK has a good hitbox too.
How do you win with your slow moves? The same way Nash does… by not letting them in and by using your surprising mobility to your advantage. Urien’s dashes are actually faster than Nash’s and go even further; his pokes have an absurd range and he can easily rush in if needed. And he also has an invincible reversal, something Nash doesn’t have.

As a Nash main, I’d say thats exactly what Urien feels like- Nash with a reversal. Only thing he is lacking is his ability to score a knockdown of light confirms without spending

He gets a knockdown off of light confirms with no meter. Cr.lp>target combo xx hk tackle

[A10metal]

Don’t know if it’s common knowledge or not but Urien’s beta mix up of :
Cr.hp, h.sphere, v trigger (far), knee press, f.mp, headbutt
It does not work anymore
If your using it, don’t expect a mixup at the end

Not sure what you’re saying but you can still cross-under them with headbutt and do the 100% stun combo easily. There’s a ton of ways to do it as well.
Here’s my old version: https://www.twitch.tv/travallama/v/81942927

Here’s another new version: https://twitter.com/Yung_D_Rezz/status/779204297842126848

And variation of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzkwwmRftBo&feature=youtu.be

Still possible in a ton of different ways.

Odd I’ve always had the f.mp destroy the aegis by pushing them back in. Might be doing it too late

In the last video, I walk forward slightly (it’s got to be between 1 and 3 frames) before I do the aegis and then I do MK Knee. I used to use lk knee but ran into the same problem you did. Now it’s free.

That’s must be it, I’ve been using l.knee for this . Odd how it doesn’t work anymore with all versions of it.

[Only_Ash_Remains]

You can still do it with lk knee. The video against Chun looks like LK Knee is used

[Hatson]

@Quark @Plaid_Unicorn I’ve updated the frame data .txt file with a few minor corrections and new notes and tweaks, I also added V-skill information for what it does for everyone move. Overall just corrected and improved upon.

http://pastebin.com/S5n6QFPL

[Janitor_Ned]

Any tips vs Guile? Dude kicks my ass.

[Quark]

Some more random stuff:

1( I’m sure some of you are aware of this already but EX tackle is unsafe on block from close ranges. The second hit is +0, but there’s a gap between the first and second hit that can be DPd through.

2( cr.HP(2) xx EX knee = ghetto mixup

[OceanMachine]

I don’t know if somebody already said it, but M headbutt after throw beats 3 framers and can be linked with LK on counter hit. You can therefore do stuff like throw, M headbutt, LK xx L tackle (354/563)

edit: only works on forward throw

[OceanMachine]

Two questions:

• can somebody explain me why when I try to do cr. LK, cr. LP xx EX headbutt many times I get M headbutt instead? The game correctly displays up+LP+MP as the last input. Does it have something to do with negative edge?
• does somebody have some charged HP setups?

[A10metal]

Two questions:

• can somebody explain me why when I try to do cr. LK, cr. LP xx EX headbutt many times I get M headbutt instead? The game correctly displays up+LP+MP as the last input. Does it have something to do with negative edge?
• does somebody have some charged HP setups?

Ex.headbutt, f.mp
Cr.hp, h.sphere, ex.tackle, v trigger, f.mp
I use charged hp more in his neutral but I’ve had success with these it works well if you try and mix up these with other stuff like f.hp etc

[Quark]

• does somebody have some charged HP setups?

Off of certain knockdowns you can dash forward, press and hold s.HP, and then release based on their wakeup timing. This can be quite tricky to do but I’m hoping it will become easier with practice.

Knockdowns I’ve tested that let you do this:
HP Headbutt
HK Tackle
EX Headbutt > LK Tackle juggle

Headbutt gives you slightly more knockdown advantage than Tackle so you’ll have to charge s.HP a bit longer.

[Mr.X]

I don’t know if somebody already said it, but M headbutt after throw beats 3 framers and can be linked with LK on counter hit. You can therefore do stuff like throw, M headbutt, LK xx L tackle (354/563)

Whiffs on crouching

Two questions:

• can somebody explain me why when I try to do cr. LK, cr. LP xx EX headbutt many times I get M headbutt instead? The game correctly displays up+LP+MP as the last input. Does it have something to do with negative edge?
• does somebody have some charged HP setups?

Probably because EX needs a longer charge than M Headbutt

[Pro_Marshmallo]

Any tips vs Guile? Dude kicks my ass.

Get really good at spacing Knee Drop, try and find some good moments to V-Skill, charge fireball when Guile V-Skills, and one Aegis will pretty much shut down his whole V-Trigger if hes does it neutral.

[sage2050]

got some tech for you boys. im too lazy to record it so someone else needs to do it
free CH setups that beat 3f

setup
c.hp xx hp ball, hk tackle, c.lk, mk tackle

on normal or back recovery it hits meaty enough to follow up with
s.lp, s.mp xx (whatever)
counter hits 3f reversals but i couldnt find a ch only followup

on no recovery do
s.mp, s.hp
Crush counters 3f reverals. s.hp is -2 on block

[sage2050]

about that above setup - you have to delay the mk tackle by like 1 frame after the c.lk