KILL! The Urien SFV thread!

[maziodyne]

PSA: this is what safe tackles in neutral looks like. (this is Sako playing, btw)

nonckiewicz

Take note of the meter build, too!

[Mr.X]

I know someone mentioned the throw tackle meaty but I don’t think anyone mentioned meaty after an H shoulder:

Beats wakeup 3F buttons CH
-After cr HP xx H Fireball H Tackle, crLK (whiff for timing) CH M Tackle will hit meaty enough to link stMP
-Sweep CH M Tackle can link stMP
-Ground H Tackle crLP (whiff) CH L Tackle links to stMP

No CH if it matters
-After cr HP xx H Fireball H Tackle, crLK (whiff for timing) CH M Tackle will hit meaty enough to link stLP
-Sweep M Tackle stLP works
-H Tackle crLP (whiff) CH L Tackle links to stLP

[ribu]

Ran a set against a FANG player earlier. I feel like it will actually be a rough MU for him, but need to test some stuff before I’m sold on it. Was just wondering if anyone run into this and had thoughts on the MU

[Intuitive2011]

Ran a set against a FANG player earlier. I feel like it will actually be a rough MU for him, but need to test some stuff before I’m sold on it. Was just wondering if anyone run into this and had thoughts on the MU

Urien as of right now doesn’t do to well against pressure. That fact that FANG can frame trap us is a worry. Also, I believe FANG can reliably escape Aegis to.

[Citrus_monkey]

I just need to know if I’m really shitty or if he can’t deal well with pressure. Sorta had the same issue with birdie and alex, with alex to a lesser extent but outside EX headbutt im not sure what to do.

Like I said before my main issue is cammy, she’s always given me so much trouble. With urien, i’m not quite sure when her turn ‘‘ends’’ As in, she does her frame trap cr.mp x2, but then remains at a good distance/hit advantage to throw out another normal, safely crossup, shimmy back into her best range, etc. As in, i’m not sure what the best option to end her blockstring loop is. EX headbutt can interrupt the frame trap but a meterless option would be nice.

Ran a set against a FANG player earlier. I feel like it will actually be a rough MU for him, but need to test some stuff before I’m sold on it. Was just wondering if anyone run into this and had thoughts on the MU

I ran a FT10 with a friend who is admittedly better than I am who uses fang and I was having a hell of a hard time. I ran into a couple fangs on ranked and it was the same. Urien’s fireball clashes with one of the nishikyu projectiles but you still get hit by the one with the higher arc, so it’s not in your favor. Tackle is nullified by ryubenda. His lack of a 3f jab makes fangs HK a legit threat in neutral. It looks like fang’s zoning can outdo urien’s space control.

[LurkBrian]

Random factoid: standing medium kick, while a very good button against most lows and generally, will NOT work against any attack that low profiles. The hitbox will actually whiff completely over their heads even at point blank range. This includes moves like: Laura cr.mk, Chun cr.mk and slide, Rashid c.mk, and Juri cr.hk. Basically, if you can do the move to make Mika’s drop kick whiff, it will also make s.mk whiff.

I figured this out after I played a ~15 game set against a good Laura player and I was trying to figure out a counterpoke for cr.mk and it just wasn’t working at all. I plugged the moves into http://toolassisted.github.io/LOL/ and discovered standing medium kick simply can’t hit low profile moves, Urien is too tall I guess. I also didn’t even know Laura’s cr.mk was a low profile move, who knows anything about that character.

Back heavy kick works, though.

[ribu]

I ran a FT10 with a friend who is admittedly better than I am who uses fang and I was having a hell of a hard time. I ran into a couple fangs on ranked and it was the same. Urien’s fireball clashes with one of the nishikyu projectiles but you still get hit by the one with the higher arc, so it’s not in your favor. Tackle is nullified by ryubenda. His lack of a 3f jab makes fangs HK a legit threat in neutral. It looks like fang’s zoning can outdo urien’s space control.

Yea that’s a lot of what I took from it. Armor kind of falls flat trying to catch stuff given how his moves hit; Nishikyu really keeps him at bay in particular.

One thing i noticed was urien can sMK over ryobenda if spaced well.

[Dime]

Can you v skill to ex knee smash/regular headbutt/ex tackle?

[Plaid_Unicorn]

I’ve been waiting videos and according to frame data knee smash is horribly unsafe, but can be made safe depending on point of impact? Like if the opponent is crouching and hits on last frame it’s safe?

Also is the prima guide correct? This would be the fastest they got dlc frame data up.

[Quark]

I’ve been waiting videos and according to frame data knee smash is horribly unsafe, but can be made safe depending on point of impact? Like if the opponent is crouching and hits on last frame it’s safe?

Also is the prima guide correct? This would be the fastest they got dlc frame data up.

Prima guide is loaded with inaccurate information, try this link instead: pastebin.com/d200zTrp

As you can see, all versions of knee dive can be safe on block if they hit meaty enough. In practice you won’t land them meaty except off of a setup.

[Plaid_Unicorn]

I’ve been waiting videos and according to frame data knee smash is horribly unsafe, but can be made safe depending on point of impact? Like if the opponent is crouching and hits on last frame it’s safe?

Also is the prima guide correct? This would be the fastest they got dlc frame data up.

Prima guide is loaded with inaccurate information, try this link instead: pastebin.com/d200zTrp

As you can see, all versions of knee dive can be safe on block if they hit meaty enough. In practice you won’t land them meaty except off of a setup.

Thanks man I appreciate it.

[Whizard]

that’s convoluted, just walk around and press buttons. if you want to do whiff OS stuff, do standing medium punch buffered into HK tackle.

How is it convoluted? Headbutt is risky to buffer into because it whiffs on crouchers. This OS eliminates that risk. Yes you can still buffer into tackle or fireball but both of those are punishable on block at close range.

I don’t see how “walk around and press buttons” is supposed to contribute to the discussion when that’s something that literally every character does.

If you’re buffering down charge then you aren’t moving. First, that’s really bad in this game generally, but second how are you going to get “VERY precise spacing” if you’re just sitting in crouch block for 45 frames. Also, even if you are at that specific range where this works as an OS, why do you even want to do that. If they press a crouching button like a crouching medium kick, they will whiff punish you. You’re doing a whiff OS with a move that moves Urien’s whole body forward and is dead meat to common stuff like crouching strongs, forwards, sweeps, and jabs. I just don’t see the point when Urien has so many real, generally strong options that don’t require you to crouch for nearly a second, with the opponent then walking into the exact right place to do this, so you can intentionally whiff a normal.

That’s mental energy you could be dedicating to whiff punishing, or anti-airs, or scoping out dashes.

Fair enough; I’ll concede that the whiff OS is extremely situational. However, I think f.MP is more useful as a poke than you’re making it out to be. The strength of f.MP is not it’s priority vs. other buttons but the fact that 1( it’s Urien’s longest special cancellable normal and 2(it catches both jump-ins and dashes at the range where dash/jump becomes a mixup.

I also think, in general, that Urien will have to rely on more situational options than other characters.

Yo I agree, his FW.MP is amazing. I had trouble with a Gief for one match yesterday, then discovered the F.MP tech which basically stopped him from doing anything. It was out of the range of his V skill if he didn’t pre-emptively release it, it stopped him jumping before he even really got into the air, stopped him dashing forward, and stuffed his V trigger when he popped it. I literally didn’t have to use another button for the round haha. The only thing I got hit by was the occasional random SPD from range which grabbed my FW.MP.

[Whizard]

I ran a FT10 with a friend who is admittedly better than I am who uses fang and I was having a hell of a hard time. I ran into a couple fangs on ranked and it was the same. Urien’s fireball clashes with one of the nishikyu projectiles but you still get hit by the one with the higher arc, so it’s not in your favor. Tackle is nullified by ryubenda. His lack of a 3f jab makes fangs HK a legit threat in neutral. It looks like fang’s zoning can outdo urien’s space control.

Yea that’s a lot of what I took from it. Armor kind of falls flat trying to catch stuff given how his moves hit; Nishikyu really keeps him at bay in particular.

One thing i noticed was urien can sMK over ryobenda if spaced well.

I guess making sure you have your V skill activated is a must in that matchup then, that way Ryobenda won’t be a problem right? Will probably throw some FANGS off too when you go right through it, may stop them from throwing it down so often.

[DevilJin_01]

Fang is definitely a character youre going to have to get in on. You’re not going to be playing long winded zoning games vs him unless you like being purple.

[Pro_Marshmallo]

I think Birdie will be a good match-up for Urien. Headbutts ignore Birdie’s litter and armoured headbutts will break through his peel+chain combo. He doesn’t have any options to punish V-Skill other than dolphin dive and chain, which can be spaced pretty easy when your far away. Good long range anti-airs and long buttons mean that Urien contests more space than Birdie can forcing him to play aggressive with that aweful walkspeed he has.

Cammy is just straight up fucked for Urien though but AAing divekicks with up-ball does feel amazing when you get them.

[Wikum]

PSA: this is what safe tackles in neutral looks like. (this is Sako playing, btw)

https://gfycat.com/UnsightlyGrayCanary

Take note of the meter build, too!

Any idea how plus it is at the range he’s doing it at (basically at the tip of cr.mk range)??

[Dime]

I think Birdie will be a good match-up for Urien. Headbutts ignore Birdie’s litter and armoured headbutts will break through his peel+chain combo. He doesn’t have any options to punish V-Skill other than dolphin dive and chain, which can be spaced pretty easy when your far away. Good long range anti-airs and long buttons mean that Urien contests more space than Birdie can forcing him to play aggressive with that aweful walkspeed he has.

Cammy is just straight up fucked for Urien though but AAing divekicks with up-ball does feel amazing when you get them.

Tbh I think Cammys antifireball options could deserve a slight nerf…the fact that she can divekick over, ex drill, v skill, and super is a bit much.

[OceanMachine]

I’ve been waiting videos and according to frame data knee smash is horribly unsafe, but can be made safe depending on point of impact? Like if the opponent is crouching and hits on last frame it’s safe?

Also is the prima guide correct? This would be the fastest they got dlc frame data up.

Prima guide is loaded with inaccurate information, try this link instead: pastebin.com/d200zTrp

Oops, I had a feeling Prima guide data wasn’t updated since LordWilliam said EX headbutt is now -17 on block. I might have to update my previous post too.

[A10metal]

Don’t know if it’s common knowledge or not but Urien’s beta mix up of :
Cr.hp, h.sphere, v trigger (far), knee press, f.mp, headbutt
It does not work anymore
If your using it, don’t expect a mixup at the end

[Pertho]

Tbh I think Cammys antifireball options could deserve a slight nerf…the fact that she can divekick over, ex drill, v skill, and super is a bit much.

Doesn’t matter much. All of your ground buttons are better and you have other specials you can go to for damage. This isn’t a Guile/Cammy situation in the least.