i always wondered about ken and if he has the ability to do shinku hadoken. can he do it but instead prefers his shoryuken style or was it something he didnt learn?
he already has a Shin Shoryuken. :tup: :tup:
Ryu and Ken learned the basic three moves that you all know. The varitations of them are those they taught themselves through training.
Ken won’t get a Shinkuu Hadouken ever because Capcom of Japan wishes to give Ryu the edge in power since he’s Japanese and all. Stronger ki/chi manipulation is how they show this. That’s why Nash is stronger than Guile since he can weild a Sonic Boom with one hand even though he has the ankles of a baby and Guile doesn’t. Nash isn’t Japanese however, but Ki maipulation is how you know that he’s stronger than Guile.
Ken specializes in Dragon Punches, Ryu specializes in Fireballs. However, Ryu’s Shin Shoryuken has been stated to have the ability to kill a man while Ken’s has never been. It’s Ryu’s game, he will always have the edge over Ken even in the Shoryuken department storyline wise.
More accurately, if Ken learns the Shinkuu Hadouken, Ryu will learn the Super Dooper Shinkuu Hadouken that will be the size of Final Vega’s(Cape) SFZ3 Psycho Crusher.
wow thats pretty disheartening to hear haha
But you forget Sano if Ryu learns the Super Dooper Shinkuu Hadouken then Sagat will learn the Super Dopper Tiger Cannon!
Oh and lets not forget about Akuma’s Ultra Mega Super Dooper Metsu Gou Hadouken
Yeah, that about sums it up!
If he’s so strong…
then why is he dead?
Ken has shot a shinkuu hadouken in a real game.
marvel vs. streetfighter do a double team with ryu and ken with ryu (?) on point and see what happens.
Ken can shoot it only if capcom says he can it could be for any reason why he can or can’t do it, or he chooses not to use it.
I’d say he developed the dragon punch, ryu developed the hadouken and akuma developed the hurricane kick.
I mean what are they each known for? Akuma has his dive kicks, air fireballs but he’s always known for having a hurricane kick with juggle potential.
Even in mvc2, ryu has the biggest fireball, akuma is the only one with any kind of sparks on his legs and ken has flames on his uppercut and is the only one who is completely invincible even in his jab uppercut.
I think the “Versus” series was a look at how developed their powers would be, they had to pump them up anyways because if they didn’t they couldn’t compete with the marvel crew.
Still look at cammy’s cannon drill (it looks a little ilke a psycho crusher)
most sfers have a enhanced attack of one way or another, zangief has a walking final atomic buster and charlie and guile shoot blades from their flash kicks (although their sonic boom remains the same but it seems for less charge time)
I think they all just specialized in their own attack.
and Sean was supposed to be the “Mix up” shoto without being the incredlbly fragile yet very powerful rush down akuma like character.
and Dan is the snk shoto of course.
I always wondered what a “versus” sagat , “versus” vega, “versus” blanka and all of them would look like in a versus game cuz i’m almost sure they were still made to character and maybe they were at a peek on how they’d develop.
About M.Bison
Take from the Plot Guide
During SFA3, M. Bison is supposed to be extremely powerful. Due to how
much the official storyline of SFA3 differs from various aspects of the
game’s portrayal (Mainly, Bison dying in EVERYONES’ ending), the game does
a horrible job of showing this. In actuality, Bison managed to fight Ken
and Sakura, then finally had to retreat when Ken, Sakura, Sagat, and Ryu
(who had broken out of his brainwashing) all ganged up on him, then he ran
into Rose and had to beat her, then he had to terminate Juli, Juni, Cammy,
and the rest of the Dolls, and all thirteen of them attacked him, forcing
him to retreat from them (But not before almost killing all of them), then
he had to deal with Charlie and Guile, and he -FINALLY- was taken down when
his entire base and the Psycho Drive blew up with him in it, thanks to
Charlie. And all this in a very short time frame (Rose most likely took
place shortly before Cammy because Bison told Rose that he was waiting for
someone, whom was most likely Cammy, and Guile blowing up Shadaloo’s base
took place shortly after because Chun-Li most likely spotted Cammy in the
base heading for the Psycho Drive).
The Psycho drive can channel any negative energy or emotions. But
Bison can get more from fighters. Bison blows up because his current body
couldn’t handle any more Psycho Power. When the Psycho Drive blows up, all
the energy stored in there gets released. The released energy goes to
Bison’s body, Bison’s body can’t take it and BOOM
M. Bison is weaker during SF2 (no teleports or flight, etc.
Storylinewise, not gameplaywise) likely because by having his soul whole
again instead of just the evil half, his psycho power isn’t anywhere near
as powerful as during SFA3. Psycho Power relies on negative energy.
Because Bison merged with Rose at the end of SFA3, he’s no longer fully
negative since Rose was his soul’s good half. He’s also weaker probably
because he doesn’t have the Psycho Drive anymore, what with it being blown
up and all.
Shadaloo, or what was left of it, eventually constructed
a new body for him by SF2 (not a very difficult task for them, since
they’ve done it before. See Cammy). He transferred to that body from
Rose’s, and, despite his new body being weaker than the old, held the SF2
tournament to get revenge on Guile, Chun-Li, and many others of his enemies
by sending out personal invitations to them (this would also make it easy
for him to get all his enemies into one place and destroy them). There, he
finally got killed when Akuma, who wasn’t even signed into the tournament,
jumped in randomly and used the Shun Goku Satsu on him at the final fight
of tournament [Official]. M. Bison’s ending, being the bad ending, is
probably the only ending in SF2 which didn’t happen in any way, shape, or
form.
About the Shun Goku Satsu
What happens during the shungokusatsu is that they go to hell. The
demons in hell will attack the person even if they’re sin free or not.
They’re demons, they’ll go at anything. But with evil characters, their
past sins will also haunt on top of the demons attacking them for that
split second. Gen survives this because he empties his spirit, heart and
mind. “Onore wo mu ni suru”. “Mu” means emptiness, nothingness. One of the
reasons why Gouken has the kanji “Mu” on his back. It’s really not about
how strong the person is but how tuned and focused they are with their mind
and soul.
oh the explosion was the Equivalent to a small nuke!
Ryu is not dead. Unless this is a joke that’s going over my head at the moment, this info I suppose comes from the unnoficial Ryu Manga. And he does not die in that Manga. The ‘grave’ at the end was used to mark the battle between him and Gouki. He appears to Alex at the end, he is not a ghost. Through his training with Oro, he has learned to heal himself just enough to survive, hence the scar.
X-Men vs. SF and all the Marvel games are unnoficial Games. Whatever happens in them does not count. Much like the Marvel Comics themselves will never reference it. Capcom gave the SFers more powerful moves so they can hang with the X-Men and Marvel Super Heroes. Do you think Zangief can turn into a robot aka Mech Zangief as well or has the potential to do so? Do you think Ken has Orochi Blood because he has it in SVC Chaos? A quote from the Movie ‘Street Fight Club’ - “The first rule about crossover games when discussing the characters seriously is we do not talk about crossover games!” Seriously, you can look at the SF Eternal Challenge guide and turn to page 191. Those are the moves and super moves that Ken can officially do, the gist of it anyways. Crossover game moves are not included. No Shinkuu Hadouken for Ken.
Uh…play CVS2 lol.
haha good idea
If Shinku Hadoken equals greater power as someone sort of said, then by that Sakura is more powerful then Ken as well, who also taught herself the Shinku Haddoken.
I just took it as Ken done his own thing and developed his own style, more flashy and showing off sort of thing. He probably could do a shinku hadoken if he was cornered and had to do it but he’s got his own way now.
Also I was sure someone on here pointed out once Ken is actually mostly Japanese himself, and actually colours his hair blond cause he such an American fanboy or something? So its not like Ryu being japanese is why capcom wanted him stronger. If thats true, of course.
sakura isnt stronger, she just followed ryu’s style a little and developed her style, and ken created his own style with his shoryuken’s, as what ryu did with his hadouken.
In the SF Universe all someone has to do to learn a move is just see it preformed, and just cause Sakura can do a Shinku Hadouken dosnt mean she’s more powerful then Ken, it just obviously means that she mimiced Ryu’s power style, but she infact lacks actual power herself, so all her moves are weak, tbus she is not stronger then Ken in anyway.
If you’re talking about Charlie, then it dosnt matter how powerful he was, his fate was sealed since SF2. Capcom knew Charlie was going to have to die when they made first officialy created him for SFA, thats why he dies in every single one of his SFA endings, plus he went out in a cool way, fighting the most powerful version of Bison all by himself, destroying the Psycho Drive, the Shadowloo base, as well as Bison (or so he thought Bison would’ve died)
Thats actually a pretty retarded question overall, as much as all Guile’s SF2 stories, endings, whatever mentioned that Charlie was dead, and SFA3 takes place before SF2, and whatever, so really what kinda question was that? His death was unavoidable.
i heard something like hes 1/4 or half japanese or something like that. i dont know much about it.
He’s 3/4 Japanese. His mom is (completely) Japanese and his dad his 1/2 Japanese, and Ken dyes/bleaches his blonde to look more American.
I never said the vs. game were cannon.
Of course only the official games cannon.
but i heard a big deal happened over cammy in xvsf cuz she wasn’t written in character so i think you can look to vs. games at least to see something about the characters.
I was referring to charlie about being dead
They were saying that master ki with one arm means his superior or soemthing.
Isn’t it possible that maybe it’s just cuz it looks better/ it’s charlie’s style.
I always thought charlie and guile were pretty equal shrug cannon wise anyways.
Take From the Plot Guide
The Sonic Boom is actually created by using ki. Nash will concentrate
his ki into his hand, arm or whatever and thrusts it at a speed faster than
sound. When someone is hit by the Sonic Boom, it’ll feel like getting
smashed into a brick wall. It’s also colder than Russia’s winter and is
also supposed to be the fastest projectile story-wise. The games don’t show
this at all though.
Tier 3
Charlie: Charlie is the US Martial Arts champion. Took down Bison in
SFA3, albeit with a little help. What mainly puts him here with certainty
instead of circumstantiality though I believe is how he’s better than Guile
(even SF2 Guile). Charlie’s ki manipulation is implied to be right up
there with Ryu and other top-notch fighters. He can shoot sonic booms from
any of his limbs, even his feet (something that Guile needs LOTS of
concentration to do. It takes Guile two hands and officially stated all
his focus just to throw one sonic boom). Since Guile, at least based on
what we can think of, comes into the tier below, and Charlie is definately
above Guile, even without the circumstantial evidence, we can generally
place Charlie in this tier.
Tier 4
Guile: Most likely winner of the SF2 tournament. If you decide to ignore
that, then there’s also the way in how he’s storyline-wise more interwoven
and more ‘important’ than most of the other SF2 characters, and they
typically get favored in the storyline power tiers. And I believe he’s
meant to be the same power as Chun-Li, but I forget^^; Whatever the case,
he’s been training really hard since SFA3, though Charlie in SFA3 was still
most likely better than him (see Charlie in Tier 3 for reasons). He isn’t
progressing any more because he gave up fighting after SF2 to be a family
man.
Zangief vs. Ivan Drago ( winner Zangief)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=15278&highlight=Zangief
Buffy vs. Zangief ( winner Zangief)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=1851&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Zangief
Akuma,Gill and SFA3 M.bison vs the X-men ( it was a close Match but the Winners were Akuma,Gill and SFA3 M.Bison)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=7068&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Zangief
Turk vs. ryu, ken , chun li , guile , zangief , blanka , vega , sagat , m. bison , shin akuma , kairi garuda
Winners ( Everyone Expect Turk)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=29529&highlight=Akuma
Gill vs. Ranma ( Winner Gill )
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=22279&highlight=Akuma
Akuma vs Grey Hulk ( Winner Akuma due to the Shungokusatsu he wouldn’t have won this match if it wasn’t for that move!)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=21854&highlight=Akuma
Spider-Man vs Akuma and M. Bison ( Winner M.bison and Akuma)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=21222&highlight=Akuma
Captain America/Daredevil vs Ryu/Ken ( Winners Ryu/Ken )
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=14779&highlight=Akuma
Ranma, Kenshin and Vash vs. Gill ( Winner Gill)
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=7298&highlight=Akuma
Akuma vs. Ranma ( Winner Akuma )
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=1927&highlight=Akuma
SFer,Mortal Kombat and Tekken and SC vs. Racoon city ( winners SFers, The Motral Kombat guys , the Tekken Guys and The SC Guys )
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=19435&highlight=M.bison
wow that’s amazing.
Can you please put in the tiers and all the characters? (or a link to somewhere that has it?)
That was a interesting read i never even knew charlie was the martial arts champ.
Would he beat any of the big name characters? (Sagat, Ryu, Ken ect.)
Yeah, I actually didn’t know who you were taking about but TAS caught on that you meant Nash so…
If you SERIOUSLY wish to discuss the vs. Games even though they should be left out of this conversation -
Ken can do a Shinkuu Hadouken only with a partner. This is the equivalent of someone performing a double Fireball Move with Batsu in Rival Schools as a Partner. Both Kis are added to each other, think of the Double Hadouken shown in the SF2 Animated Movie, which is probably the influence of all of these double fireball moves and such.
Ryu in MVC1 can TURN into Ken and do everything he does and then turn into Gouki and do everything he does. So if you think the Marvel games are an indication of anything which they are not-
Ryu and Ken officially
Ryu > Ken
Ryu and Ken in the Marvel World, in their latest stages, that being MVC1 when they’re oldest -
Ryu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken
Now let’s please stop talking about unnoficial games. They don’t belong in this conversation.