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i’m pretty sure mvc1 was just a dream though.
It wouldn’t suprise me of ken could do a weak shinkuu hadouken though and i doubt he was “feeding off” ryu’s ki in order to do it with him.
MVC1 just a dream? Yes, the same way X-Men vs. SF, MSH vs. SF, MVC1 and MVC2 were all dreams - dream matches.
Shadowloo Cammy first made her appearence in XvSF, and fans liked her so much, she became canon, nothing else to it.
The only other time in the VS games where Capcom has leaned or hinted at somehting that could be canon, was Sakura eventually having a son, other then that there was nothing else. ALL of the VS endings in the Marvel games were either meant to be fun/humorous or shocking (fights, appearences, etc)
Charlie was the US Martial Arts Champion before Ken, but Charlie didnt compete the first year Ken won (which was during SF1) and every year after that Ken has won (very easily I might add)
He could’ve beat Ryu and Ken during the Alpha timeline, dont know about Sagat.
You’re no doubt refering to Ken’s ending in MSHvsSF where he dreamed the whole storyline.
But no, it wasnt a dream, specialy considering Ken’s ending in the game before (XvSF) was Ken and Mel playing XvSF the video game.
The Marvel Vs games have their OWN SEPERATE canon, just like the SFEX series, note how Ryu and Cyclops met in XvSF and then showed that they still knew one another in MSHvSF.
Ryu does a Shinkuu Hadouken by himself in the Marvel Games.
Ken can ONLY do it with a partner.
If you think in those games Ken can do it by himself, that’s fine, your opinion, but there is nothing to back that claim up other than opinion. What you would need to back it up is Ken performing a Shinkuu Hadouken on his own.
And none of it really matters. Marvel vs. Games don’t count. And heh, heh, by MVC2 Ken’s Shinkuu Hadouken is gone anyways. :devil:
lol Good thing it did not turn out like this, or else SF woulda turned out like DBZ or something. 
That would be interesting to see how the games would go tho… lol
If we follow the canon,
Ryu will be always more powerfull than Ken, Ryu trains everytime and everyday of his entire life, he doesnt have a lot of friends, he dont go out with girls, he dont care about having a job or his looks. He trains like a madman.
Ken on the other hand, trains a little, he has a wife, money to burn, he drives, and all that stuff.
Most provably Ken, can learn shinkuu haduken, but i dont think he likes it, ken is more about stile than ryu, so, he stick with the shoryukens.
Im just going to throw my 2 cents in…
What was said about Ryu training harder has alot to do with why Ken might not choose to use the Shinkuu Hadouken. Let me Explain. Ryu lives for nothing but the fight, hence he trains alot,duh, but more than just cardio based training. He puts alot of time into Ki minipulation. So Ryu, more than Ken, will know the ins and outs of Hadou. Like how to conserve, compress, release, and how to draw more Ki from around him. Supposedly many ppl have lived the same life as Ryu before him and still have not come to the same lvl of mastery as him.
As it was pointed out, Ken has other things going on like family and fun. While I dont think its out of the question that Ken CAN do a Shinkuu Hadouken, I do think that since he hasnt refined it on any significant level, it might be a waste of energy to use it. Besides the amount of time and patience it must take to use it effectively kinda go against everything Ken is all about. Ken for the most part is a very successful fighter winning all sorts of MA tourneys and is considered to be a Top World Fighter. Why would he put all that extra time in??? Just to beat Ryu?? Ken is the otherside of the coin. Ken is flashy, and moves at a faster pace, it shows in his life style and in his fighting style. Ken is pretty bad ass for being as strong as he is AND having a family and a lavish lifestyle…
Ok here’s all the tier lists from the Plot Guide
haha i feel so bad for sean. sf’s worse character heh
Well he would have been ALOT better had Capcom not decided to cave in and add Ryu and Ken to the cast. Most of Ryu and Ken’s SF3 moves/animations were Sean’s originaly, but then were removed from Sean (or pasted from him) and then his moves and stats got seriously downgraded in the process, his story was also changed as well, ie in the original story he was Ken’s student and basicly at the level Ken was in SFA or SF2, but then it was changed to Sean wanting to be Ken’s student (I dont think it actually shows Ken take on Sean as his student in any of the SF3 endings, its only something stated post SF3, like Ryu being trained by Oro)
I would like to see Dan and Sean Fight it out for bottom Tier!!! If Sean lost to Dan…Even A groove Dan…thas pretty bad!!! LOL!!
And TiamatRoar’s list still leaves out Remy. He’s Tier 8.
That’s some Non Japanese looking character then. Then again, Ryu doesn’t look the slightest japanese either. It’s like since when did Japanese look closer to white than actual east asians ie. korea, china, japan, lighter version of of south east aians (roughly, clear differences but much closer than a european person). Even half asian and half european white have a distinct in the middle look to them more often leanning towards the asian side (hard to explain, most that i know of is local and you people won’t know them but the only example i could think of quickly would be Asia Carrera who is half german and half chinese). Honestly, I don’t think Capcom is SERIOUSLY caring about what nationality a particular person is. They are more interested about filling in the standard cliche character types. Ie.
The lone wolf, the star of the title, the american looking but meant to be totally japanese character who isn’t FAT but isn’t Bone skinny, hair never too long but also Never too short, often spiky, he’s that middle of the road guy. (Ryu, Jin, Akira)
The supposibly tough girl part. the no non sense female character than can kick ass. Never is she fat, often times she is skinny, and usually a bigger chest than anatomically suiting her, Long hair is a must, sexy is what they aim for, she will be quick as hell, but not overly strong, supposibly can beat a lot of guys despite the fact that few women can even comes get near a man’s total fighting ability in the real world do to men being quicker and faster (game would say other wise) and stronger usually. (chun Li, DOA characters, or one or two from tekken, chick from ninja scrolls, Tifa from final fantasy, and alot more if i sit back and think)
The hot head Wild, often BLONDE, undiciplined American. Never skinny but Never FAT either, could fight, often nearing the level of the main character. Often is a ladies charmer as well. (Ken, Jacky Bryant, i can’t remember much about tekken because I was never a full fan of it but I’m sure there is one, all sorts of anime characters while in some may not have nationalities, often times will fit the scrip though.
The STRONG GUY (Often dumb, not always american, easily could be a russion, east european. very strong, very slow, not very bright, never the lead character, never the the lead boss. Sumo the only exception in that they are not always dump. (Zangief, raiden (that earthquake looking guy), the blob, even robot characters like Gutsman.
The BOSS (evil guy, red eyes are a must. pupils not always a in fasion. Very Powerful as oppose to being weak but intelligent, can sometimes fly, dark colors, red black are used often. Evil just to be evil, rarely has any real intelligent reason as to why they do what they do (magneto being different but even him started off as being simply I’m magneto, I’m evil and I want to take over the world (see Magneto between uncanny x-men 1 to when Chris claremont took over). Boss is also rarely really skinny or FAT. often is middle of the road but can often be muscular (but not too muscular to fit in the big dump, often fat category). Boss is also often pretty tall.
there is more but those are the absolute main ones.
Blanka is so dddddddddaaaaaaaammmmmmmmm llllllllllooooooooooowwwwwwwww…You have no idea how sad this makes me…
How powerful is Akuma’s fireball, SRK and hurricane kicks compared to Ryus then?
If you look at character designs in anime video games, etc, etc, fictional (non realistic) looking characters dont ever look Japanese, and why should they I mean after awhile they’re all going to start looking the same (fitting the steriotype, tan skin, black hair) Japanese character designs tend to be inspired by people and cultures from everywhere except Japan.
Okay its like this.
SF1 and SF2 created the fighting game character cast cliche.
Karate Guy (Ryu)
Old Chinese Man Kung Fu Master (Gen)
Ninja (Geki)
Big Wrestler Guy (Zangief)
Freak (Blanka)
Female Kung Fu Fighter (Chun Li)
Bruce Lee Tribute (Fei Long)
Boxer (Mike/Balrog)
You’re not going to find any fighting game cast that dosnt feature one of those cliche’s (or some stem of them)
For a example of how powerful Akuma’s Hurricane kick is when he’s not hold back take a look at Akuma’s SF3: Third Strike ending.
I thought all Akuma’s TS ending showed was him destroying that ship and walking under water.
Charlie just can’t win. He even dies in the ending of Cannon Spike.