@ ex1 groove
i think jd = just defend
Just in case you didnāt know, over the past three years, oahu players have consistently placed in the top thirty two at evo 2003 & 2004(ernestw, erikbuild, myself) and at ecc (ernestw) for cvs2 (2004). PSX also placed ninth at evo 2003 out of like 500 people so to say that no one good plays here would be a bit of an exaggeration. We know a little bit about what weāre talking about. My viewpoint on the whole issue is that we (guys planning on comin down) thought that you ran a ānormalā cvs2 tourney especially considering the fact that you used examples of Choi, Ortiz and the evo dvd. Donāt get me wrong you can run whatever tourney you want to run and you have. But I guess thereās the misinterpretation that we thought youāre tourney was like the tourneys that you see on dvds when in fact this is not the case. By saying that we suck and weād get killed by cali players/rest of the world when we in fact have played against the best under NORMAL TOURNAMENT STANDARDS is illogical. Just try to understand where weāre coming from. I know that you know that the way yāall run your tourneys would be frowned upon by the rest of the world. Which is fine. But to say that we suck just because we follow the same format as the REST OF WORLD (mind you your heroes including Choi and Ortiz) does not make sense. Hope this adds some insight as to why some players are discontent about the issue. :pleased:
Oh and Wil, he was being sarcastic :rolleyes:
Keep in mind that I used to live in California (until about 3 years ago) and played with your heroes, John Choi (who always came to BEARcade to take our money whenever there was a tourney) and Ricky Ortiz (who I used to play and get beat by almost every weekend at MGL). I know other people here who lived in Cali or played there and did fine. NPwnz, get off the dicks of Cali players, man. Not everyone there is good.
LOL, I forgot that you were from cali. Experience points :tup:
Oahu players beat anyone in California? I didnāt see any Oahu players on the dvd for CVS2. You think Oahu players are good but you donāt beat anyone on the dvd.
:lame:
Hehe decided to play along.
I didnāt see any Kauai players on any DVDs. The CVS2 matches on the EVO DVDs are lackingā¦ more MVC2 matches than anything. On the flipside, DJ-B and HR both have MVC2 matches on the EVO DVDs.
Just letting you know that this is gonna be a futile argument. This shouldnāt be new to anyone, but for those that havenāt learned this in grade school, just cuz you canāt/donāt see something, it doesnāt mean that its not there/didnāt happen. Just cause you donāt see any oahu players on the dvd doesnāt mean that no oahu players made the top thirty two. In fact the dvd only shows the top 8. It doesnāt even show the whole top 32 final bracket. Do you even know how the evo tourneys work? Just to make it to the top thirty two you need to basically win a mini tourney with about 12-16 people. Then from there you get put into the āfinalā bracket of thirty two which three out of the four players planning on attending this Kauaāi tourney have reached. In addition, Cali players are good but their top players are what seperates them. If you want the cremeā de la creme, then look far east toward the Japanese, who are machines. They have beaten the rest of the world consistently and should be idolized if any. Putting it bluntly, you donāt really know whats out there. We do. We have traveled to the evos. We have played in the great cali arcades like SHGL, SVGL, Family Fun, etc. You may not like what ernestw says, but you should listen because of his traveling/tourney experience. He has played against the top players on both coasts and suceeded. He beat a japanese player (RF who took top 8 and is on the evo dvd if Iām not mistaken) at a pre evo Family Fun tourney and almost took Choi out at evo. The final score was 2-1 and Choi was down to his R2 C-sagat. The point Iām trying to make is that Oahu players have established themselves despite having a small gaming community. Also, to reiterate the points made prior to this post, the rest of the world ESPECIALLY the EVO tourneys use NORMAL TOURNEY SETTINGS. If youāre gonna put the tourney on such a high pedestal, then why not use what settings they use? Hope this enlightens you. 
Wow thatās one of the most random posts Iāve ever read!! hahaha
Kauai - Come down here and prove we suck. Bet it! 
BLUNTLYā¦we have attended the tourneys and played under international/national tournament settings and have fought to prove Hawaii as a state has some skill. Starting with GN placing 9th in MVC2 back in the days when the evo tourneys were B# tourneys. In consecutive years since that first tourney somebody (if not more) from hawaii (Oahu to be exact!) has proven themselves. In the first ever evo GN finished ninth again for MVC2 and about everyone who attended from Oahu knocke d off some recognizable players. As for CVS2ā¦like HawaiianRyan said PSX, Erikbuild, Ernest, djb, and HawaiianRyan has had successful standings. Do you realize how many matches are in the tourneyās as a whole? If they were to try to capture every match on a dvd it would take waaaay too many dvdās. Instead they focus on known āCOMMONā names. In the long run people from the mainland think Hawaii as a state has skills but in reality it has been ONLY Oahu players that have made the name for the State of Hawaii
As far as Cali players go, the scrub to top player ratio in California is ridiculous. Itās like 12087410250193285:1. You can go to any mall out there and just start owning the hell outta people (Hayward - I mean Southland mall 
). There are pockets of higher skilled players out there, BEARcade, the GLās, GT, FFA, etcā¦ but the average player skill over there is below the average player skill in Oahu. The scrubs are pretty beast over there, but as a whole, I think Oahu has a much better scrub to top player ratio.
This is not about MVC2. CVS2 making 32nd place is nothing. Ben won 3 Kauai tournaments. I am sure he is as good as anyone on your island or better.
Did you not read on PSXās finish in CVS2 at EVO?
OH DAMN - THREE TOURNAMENTS IN KAUAI? THE WORLD IS NOT READY FOR THIS GUY!!! Someone get this kid a throne to sit on! /sarcasm
Even placing 32nd place at EVO, a world tournament, is quite an accomplishment. I donāt know what you are smoking, but I would LOVE to be good enough to place 32 at EVO.
Stop with all this hating, man. Itās not helping how people see Kauai players at all. Itās like that Master Akuma guy who thinks heās top shit because he won a tourney he setup in Portugal with like 10 people.
That doesnāt really matter to me. If you say he is, then he must be right? Riiight. You seem to be either missing my point or refusing to acknowledge it. The point that I was trying to make is that you put up Cali/evo dvd play on such a high pedestal, yet you fail to recognize one important aspect of the way they (and the rest of the world) play the game which is the speed factor. What do you think Choi and Ortiz would say if you told them that the settings that they had for the game were scrubby and too slow? As far as him being as good as anyone on our island, do you mean under NORMAL WORLDWIDE CONDITIONS (same as the evo dvd and any other non Kauai tourney)? Because if so, Iād be willing to make a little wager. Hundred bucks sound good. The best from your island vs. the best (PSX) from our island. 2/3, 3/5, 6/10 or whatever you want. Hell, if the machine at your arcade doesnāt have the proper settings, we could even do it on console. All we need are tvs, we bring the sticks or you can use your own controllers, game, systems. As long as everything is under Worldwide standards. You have a lot of confidence that good players can adapt right which is probably true to a certain extent. What do you say? Youāre confident, Iām confident. Itāll be fun. :tup:
iāll bet $100 on PSX vs ben leeā¦ think about it get back to meā¦ i hope you guys got alot of money :rolleyes:
$500 on PSX. I need money to come home again.
EDIT - @HawaiianRyan - itās no use arguing - you probably should start practicing a bit on a higher speed. Insular + scrub = Kauai. Most you can do at this point is get Kauai mad by saying how theyāre inbred outer-island trash.
I got $100 bucks on PSX, my CVS2 sensei. Who is taking me up on it?
if im willin to drop $100 something is wrong since i have no job
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I won 5 molokai tournements and not to mention the Lanai international EVO open all at my house. Iām the best.
This thread is fucking dope. hahaha :badboy: