Juri Combos: What works on who?

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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Update Notes:

-Major change to the jumpin mp xx divekick xx U2 section, changed a few names around based on further testing and sorted them by difficulty to give you a general idea of how hard it will be.

-Added video supplements where i could find them to the J.mp xx divekick xx U2, Fuzzy Guard j.mp/j.hp, dash under fireballs, FSE punisher and corner U2 combo sections.

-Added a new section for the popular cr.mk video done by sh1Nd because its just that good it needs to be everywhere.

-Added my personal spreadsheet version of the thread that ill update as i add more stuff to this thread, best you download it and edit it to your liking should you want it.

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how do you do the option select you have in ur thread? also while im at it, are there any other option selects juri has besides os pinwheel, and some crouch tech ones?

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you just jumpin, press hk close to the ground and almost at the same time press down and mk then do qcf lk for the fuha store, delay the fuha store input abit so you dont get negative edge and end up doing a mk fireball store.

As for other option selects theres a couple that are useful here and there ill tell you some of the ones i use.

E.Honda: safe jump OS lk pinwheel, it loses to ex headbutt but tags backdash and makes his regular and ex buttsplashs whiff so you can try punish them, yeah its risky when he has meter.

Cody: safe jump OS Ultra 2 off a backthrow, Ultra 2 tags backdash and the invincibility covers EX-Zonk.

Rufus: he has to be meterless but the same Ultra 2 OS safejump will catch his backdash, otherwise wakeup exmessiah and exsnakestrikes will make U2 whiff jumpin hk will tag anything else.

Bison: Its a toss up between safe jump OS HK pinwheel and OS EX pinwheel, HK pinwheel beats teleport and backdash and expinwheel beats Ex-PC, Ex-Headstomp(headstomp only or abit of damage) and backdash.

Akuma: OS backdash allows you to cover enough distance to punish his teleport with a normal + special cancel, if you cross him up on jumpin make sure the teleport has time to auto correct.

Abel: OS regular throw (its a universal OS, most abels are wise to this, especially command throw OS’s) after a deep jumpin beats EX-Tornado Throw and any roll including EX-Roll.

Anti BackDash OS: doesnt require a jumpin, this one is pretty universal to, you do meaty cr.lk on wakeup and press the Ultra KKK button, if the meaty lk connects another cr.lk will come out, if it doesnt sweep will come out. You can do this better in FSE where you press cr.lk xx cr.mp xx (OS cr.hk) xx cr.mk/sekku xx whatever, if cr.lk connects mp will come out and if they backdash sweep comes out.

Rose: [media=youtube]XlxgTk9Wf_c[/media] same technique as above but instead of just inputting down and KKK, do qcb KKK, expinwheel will come out if cr.lk whiffs and st.lk will come out if it connects.

Other than that OS lk pinwheel usually universally catchs backdashs. thats all i can remember for now but that should keep you busy enough.

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I did some testing with far.HK vs crouching opponents. I realized it whiffs quite a bit of people, and it depends on whether you’re in FSE or not - it whiffs on almost everyone during FSE. Its also affected whether the opponent is just crouching, or crouch blocking. For reliable use as a poke you probably want to only use it if it won’t whiff in any situation.

far.HK hits crouching (in FSE)

Spoiler

Hits crouching:
Abel
Fei Long*
Gouken
Sagat
Seth*
T.Hawk
Zangief

  • Hard to hit in combo, but works (tried Sekku, far.LK, far.MK, far.HK xx pinwheel)

Hits during combos only (due to hitstun animation):
Balrog (boxer)
Cody
Guy
Hakan

far.HK whiffs while crouching

Spoiler

Whiffs completely on crouching:
Adon
Blanka
Cammy
Chun-Li
Ibuki
Juri

Whiffs while crouch blocking (hits crouching):
C.Viper
DeeJay
Dhalsim

Whiffs while crouching (hits crouch block):
Cody
El Fuerte
Gen
Guile
Guy
Honda
Sakura **
Vega (Claw)

** Sakura’s headbob during crouch causes far.HK to whiff half the time on crouching Sakura. You can probably use it reliably as a poke against her by first reseting her animation with another poke, but tread with care.

far.HK works reliably as a poke (out of FSE)

Spoiler

List of people for whom far.HK will not whiff (outside of FSE):
Abel
Akuma
Balrog (Boxer)
Dan
Dudley
Fei Long
Gouken
Hakan
Ken
M.Bison (Dictator)
Makoto
Rose
Rufus
Ryu
Sagat
Seth
T.Hawk
Zangief

Edit: The third spoiler is simply the information from the second spoiler inverted, every character that isn’t listed in the second spoiler as whiffing under some conditions is listed in the third spoiler.

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good shit man ill edit it in tomorrow, and hopefully try and write and format it in a way thats easier to understand, and then update the spreadsheet in a easier to understand way lol.

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Thread Update: Added in the info regarding far hk from deice, tried to make it look as coherant as possible, can still be hard to get your head around though. Made modifications to the spreadsheet, added a couple of comments, tried to make it smaller, added in the far hk information, added in the info regarding j.faps fuzzy on proper block only (previously had accidentily left it out).

I still reccommend people to download and edit the spreadsheet to their own preferance if they dont like the way ive done it, but try to read the write up section in the thread first to avoid any misinterpretations of information.

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I don’t have an hd recorder but I could rcord the videos.

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Yeah if you want you can do some videos, they always help, just post them here and ill add them in when i can.

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So this is what I’ll do. In gonna find a cool way to show these things like iafaps, iastrizong, cmk link, and fse punished in a video. I got a few ideas but I’m open for ideas. I’ve been kicking around showing them hitting over and over to mix with the beat of a trance song.

Psh, haha, psh, haha, psh haha, psh, haha. Should be nice kick snare alternative.

Or psh, sore, psh, ugh, psh, sore, psh, ugh.

Should be interesting.

But what I’ll ask is if there’s anything else you need me to add let me know. I’ll probably record tonight.

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The corner combo needs a better video, i just quickly went to the combo thread and looked around for video links in the hopes of examples. If you can show both setups, the exdivekick into U2 and lk dive into U2 versions (bonus points for adding in fierce xx lk fireball xx j.mp against sagat, its a sagat specific combo, read the section lol).

Far hk doesnt need a vid its self explanatory. FSE punisher i like the vid thats there right now, also shows off other FSE stuff if whoever sees it wants to carry on watching, though you can do the other 4 combos i mention in FSE punisher just to clarify it abit better.

Full Bnb pinwheel needs a video, example of it working as normal, then into a whiffed version, maybe show what they can do instead, ie. (after fireball) sweep, lk pinwheel and expinwheel. Defo show what happens with sakura in regards to the other pinwheels not comboing.

Dashing under fireballs could use a better video, but not neccessary.

the fuzzys are covered, i like how it is now.

Though id prefer you didnt put all content into one single video (so i can link each seperate video to each seperate section). Ultimately its your invested time, if its helpfull in illustrating the points made here then its going to go up either way, so your call.

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Noted. I’ll make a compilation with bells and whistles, then a straight forward video for each of these idea. Sound good?

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aye sounds good, aiming for another front page feature by any chance?

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I dunno how I get there. People post to eventhubs. shrugs

I do hope it gets there but I personally am torn. I don’t want things getting out to the masses with all our tricks and matchup knowledge.

But no one reads it and remembers. Like if I play gouken no one is gonna respect our jfaps vs there counter until they get knocked with ultra 2 on the cool down. Even if I made a video documenting it and it makes it to front page.

People are weird like that.

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its cz juris free amirite!!! lolololol

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Sorry. A litle delay on the recording. Had some stuff go on at home. Should work on it soon.

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I can’t do it right now but I may be able to when I get back home, it would be nice to have a character specific wake-up OS list.

On top of my head:

Abel:

  • Safejump j.HK [OS throw].

C.Viper:

  • Safejump j.HK [OS guard > OS EX Senpusha/EX mid Fuha/MK Release].

Ryu Ken Akuma:

  • Safejump j.HK from max range, like after hkSenpusha (just frame).

Rose:

  • Safejump j.HK [OS EX Senpusha]. Meaty cr.lk [OS EX Senpusha] = chain LK on hit/guard. (video)

Dictator:

  • Safejump j.HK [OS Guard(EX DKP) > OS EX Senpusha]. cr.lk[OS EX Senpusha]>lk. May not cover all teleports, and doesn’t cover EX Devil Reverse.

I’m not sure what syntax is better to explain the OS quick and what it covers/doesn’t cover.

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Saw this video by twfighter in my subscription box this morning, “[media=youtube]zr5iMZN4p7A&feature=sub”[/media]."

Sorry if this is common knowledge among Juri players.

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It’s been known for a while now.

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Dunno if everyone knows this or not. While dinking around the lab i stumbled upon Seth’s hitbox upon jumping up. The Jumping forward Mp. will not hit even when Seth reaches the air like other characters. You have to watch for him to start descending down which can throw off your timing if you are not familiar with it. Other then that this fourm post is a great wealth of knowledge. Dashing under fireballs is boss. If you can do that consistently, you’ll be god like ^^b good luck to all you Juri players out there!

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Dashing under fireballs aren’t tough vs some characters.

I use it vs gouken, Seth, juri and rose exclusively. Gouken you can dash anytime they throw one. No need time it or check which one. You always can dash. Seth you gotta time it. Juri just watch for lows, and rose gets cute with reflect. I bait that shit, and dash under my mids.

They think mid screen it will catch me off guard. No. I’ve factored you in. Heh.