Hahahahaha.
That’s exactly how I used to play give or take some a shit load of devil reverses and headstomps to appear like I knew what I was doing.
In my case I have played some good Makoto’s. The thing is that was in Super when most of you considered her trash. Well after playing this guy and the fact he tore Marn up with her in a tourney I began to think she was being slept on and really didn’t need much if any buffs at all. AE comes along and I start seeing a flood of new Makoto players. The only buff in AE that I agree she needed with up punch becoming useful, as I hate useless moves. My opinion comes from one simple question to most of you Mak users: Where were you in Super? A large number of you weren’t using her then and only bothered with her in AE.
Can’t really speak for most. I’ve only played her and her only since SUPER. Tried Ibuki and Juri, but Makoto was so much more fun. I mained WWWWiper in vanilla and still play her a little bit every now and then when a scrubtastic Guile thinks he’s good. Sonic What? Damn yo feet tickle nigga lmao
I always thought that Makoto was DA BOMB DIGGITY. Played her in 3s too. IMO she doesn’t fit well into SFIV’s system but whatever. she does well enough for me to keep playing. As far as her transition from Super>AE>2012, I would like to maintain (as many high level makotos also maintain) that makoto has always been Mid-Tier. Yeah she got a nice bump in AE but it was due to Karakusa Range increasing, dash improvements and as you said, fukiage buffs. The rest were fine, no big deal. We don’t use the TK Tsurugi much, if at all. most of the other buffs were trivial. But these three improvements made her what she is today. IMO she should have started out that way but i gues they thought she would be OP. I’m glad they said fuck it in AE and gave her so much, but you’re right, the flood of wannabe makotos really stunk the air. But it cleared, you know, and for the most part many of the makotos (at least from the forums) are pretty decent. Do I think we’ll win majors? Erm… we’ll reserve judgement on that for later. But if history repeats itself, we will make for some entertaining matches, but the top seths/akumas/feis of the world will always keep us in our place. I hate to say it. But i am honest with myself…
I would like to amend my list
Chun - this is your average Chun player
Guile - SOMERSAULTSOMERSAULTSOMERSAULT
Gouken - Check out my sweep
Makoto - 99 options and not one of them is getting you out of the corner
Sakura - Mash cr.LK, try to abuse grab with lag, get mind fucked when their EX DP doesn’t hit after someone meaties them (alternative offline: bet this nignog is going to try to dash under me)
Seth - Fraud
Hawk - It’s either DP or Scoops
Playing a character higher on the tier list than mine = Fraud
Playing a character lower on the tier list than mine = Free
Seth - I’m going to lose
Crouching light kicks link by themselves using the turbo function on a fightpad. You don’t have to time the inputs at all; just hold rapid-fire lk and charge down-back to link into scissor kicks.
I see, this has happened to me sometimes when I mash crouch tech really fast and clk links to itself.
shortshortshortshortkneepress is not really a hard combo, I really dont believe anyone would use turbos for dat
I have replays of bison players doing it. With the turbo function, they’re able to apply pressure with little to no gaps, easily seize openings in the opponent offensive gaps, and guarantee damage on every successful cr.lk hit.
It pretty much makes them a better player than they are.
I try not to judge until after the first round, but if I’m having an annoyingly bad day of fights then everyone is a prick no matter who they choose.
Ryu : Oh
Ken : Hum
Blanka : So
Evil Ryu : Ah
Blanka : Duh
Guile : Bah
Balrog : Wah
E.Honda : Gah
Bison : Wah
Fei Long : Nah
Chun Li : Hah
Cammy : Dah
To be honest I started to get bored and left.
Ryu - another one? shoryuken spam, or c.mp, c.mp, c.hk…
Ken- shoryuken spam
E. Honda - right on
Ibuki - instant jump projectile
Makoto - Awesome, I need to add this person, "Supports Makoto players"
Dudley - walk back, mg blow…
Seth - crap this persons good… aw man
Gouken - another one?
Akuma - instant jump back projectile…
Gen - right on
Dan - ROFL, and there good to? awesome… still laughin
Sakura - uh oh…
Oni - another one?
Yun - lols
Juri - eh maybe
Chun - projectile, hp…
Dhalsim - damn, hes or shes good
Abel - normally is a decent fight
C. Viper - curse you wolfkrone and Latif, u make me scared of all Viper players
Bison - “Fight” hes in the air, "Get down here"
Sagat - crap…
Cammy - cannon, need a say more?
Dee Jay - lols Dee jays funny
Cody - havent met a bad one yet
guy - aw man…
Hakan - normally all good fights
Yang - right on
Evil Ryu - another one?
Guile - turtle your engines
Blanka - why me?
Zangief - he will wake up 360, ill j.hp… free combos 
Rufus - right on
El Fuerte - That circus music goes in my head…
Vega - backflips
Balrog - walk back, charge move…
Fei Long - fire kick!!!
T. Hawk - c.lk, 360… crap
Adon - Gamerbee makes me afraid
Rose - I really want to learn this chr
Random - Curse u Kaun!!!
I’m average at best, pretty much only play Sakura
Ryu= I’m going to hit him twice as much as he hits me, still lose to getting hit by 5 DPs
Ken= I’m going to hit him twice as much as he hits me, still lose to getting hit by 4 DPs and a full-screen kara throw
Akuma = I’m about to get bodied
Sagat = If he doesn’t just spam tiger shot I’m going to win
Gouken = Free win
Adon = ugh this is going to be fucking annoying regardless of whether or not I win
Blanka = I’m about to get trolled, remember to not throw stick at floor after losing
Balrog = Should be a free win but I’m still going to lose somehow
Cammy = FUCK YOUR FUCKING MIXUPS THIS IS STUPID I’M NEVER PLAYING THIS GAME AGAIN
Cody = Free win
Chun-li = Don’t try to outpoke sweep, don’t try to outpoke sweep, don’t try to outpo-goddammit, why did I try to outpoke her sweep
C.Viper = BURNING KIIIIIIIIIIICKKKKKKK
Dan = Going to win the first round for free, get confident, then lose the next two
DeeJay = I’m about to get bodied
Sim = This is going to be stupid
Dudley = Should be a free win but I’m still going to lose somehow
Honda = Just keep his fatass on the other side of the screen
El Fuerte = I’m about to countertroll the shit out of somebody, I hope they throw stick at floor after losing
Evil Ryu = Free win
Fei Long = Let’s see…do I have anything that can beat rekka? Nope? Sweet
Gen = Holy shit a Gen player lol, poor guy
Guile = STOP DUCKING OVER THERE AND LET ME PUNCH YOU IN YOUR STUPID FACE GRAAAHHHHH
Guy = Holy shit a Guy player lol, po-shit, I lost
Hakan = Do not jump into U2, do not jump into U2, do not jump into U-goddammit, why did I jump into U2
Ibuki = As long as I don’t get knocked down once the entire fight I may have a shot!
Juri = This is going to be stupid
Abel = If I land an attack that isn’t throwing them out of a roll I’ll be amazed
M.Bison = Let’s see…do I have anything that can beat scissor kick? Nope? Sweetmash on crouch tech into scissor kick
Makoto = Don’t jump and this should be easy-peasy
Oni = This guy only knows gimmicks, will probably still beat me
Rose = Do not jump into U2, do not jump into U2, do not jump into U-goddammit, why did I jump into U2
Rufus = Good god how did they make him so jubbly-wait, shit, we’re fighting here
Sakura = I’m about to get embarrassed in a mirror, at least I really like her theme
Seth = Free wi-wait, they actually know how to play him, fuck
T.Hawk = Free win
Vega = I’m about to get trolled, eh fuck it, go ahead throw stick at floor after losing
Yang = Man that is some stupid hair
Yun = Oh shit, they still play Yun, they might be decent with him
I just think people are raging because they are losing to Makoto now that she’s supposedly “top tier” when they were supposedly getting “free wins” back in super. I could be wrong though. As for me, I’m fine with Makoto; I don’t think she needed to be nerfed at all in 2012 (maybe the health nerf, but I dunno). I just think people were whining because they didn’t want to bother to learn how to deal with the matchup. While I’ll admit that I get completely destroyed by Makoto players who actually know what they’re doing with her pressure, I believe that’s more because of Cody’s (my main) lack of any sort of half-way decent reversal that isn’t EX Zonk Knuckle, rather than Makoto being “broken.”
So yeah, when someone picks Makoto, I believe I’m going to have a fun match. I may get frustrated at Command Grab into Ultra, but it was my fault that I got into the position to BE command grabbed in the first place, and not Makoto being overpowered.
Hmm…speaking of seeing what people think…what do people think of Cody players? Let’s see here…
How you all think of Cody players
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[LIST]
[]Saw Momochi play during Season’s Beatings, or is legit
[]Just annoys me for some reason
[]Just block, don’t push a button. For the love of god, I said block!
[]Average or good player I should not underestimate.
[]Where did my health go?
[]Press every button, mash on 3f short
[]Neutral jump fierce, EX ruffian, and lots of zonk knuckles.
[]Jump a lot, his ground game is better than mine.
[]friendly guy with a hat
[]Will never miss his links. I don’t know if Cody just has the easiest combos in the game, but Cody players never drop anything.
[]havent met a bad one yet
[]Free win
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Looks like there isn’t much hate at the moment. I wonder if this will change with the Cody 2012 bandwagon that I kept hearing about…hmm…perhaps Cody will get the Fei Long treatment…
Oh yeah, and I now have a “stereo-type” for juri players.
Juri -They’re going to spam dive kick and I’m going to lose to it somehow. Then I’m going to have to buy a new computer screen because the fist-shaped dent is very distracting.
oh good lol last night I ended up against a fireball spam > jump-back dive kick Juri and got madder than I’ve ever been at SF, slapped my stick and knocked something loose that caused a short that made or so I couldn’t jump and lost my next round to that…
I like this. Everyone thinking Makoto was nerfed makes victory much, much sweeter :). I got to ramble on this…
My Makoto Ramblings
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She wan’t nerfed. she was stealth buffed, and most of the community doesn’t know it. They justified the buffs they gave her using what most people call nerfs. Lets talk about this for a sec:
Makoto justified Nerf: reduction in EX Karakusa distance
Reasoning: Stealth Buff of forward dash. There is no more pushback on the dash. There used to be, based on makoto’s forward dash having a forward hurt box. The hurt box seems to have been removed or at least drastically reduced… So when Makoto used to dash into a character’s sprite, she’s much closer than she was in SUPER/AE. Therefore, keeping EX Karakusa at AE range would mean Gief-like LP SPD range after a 16F DASH lol. I wish buddy…
Makoto justified Nerf: reduction in Health by 50 points
Reasoning:Stealth Buff of Forward Dash, and TC1/j.MP/s.HK Buff. The lack of pushback on the dash is due to Makoto not having a foward hurt box in front of and above her. Therefore she will get poked less when dashing around max distance. In addition to making her dash in easier, she has better tools to keep the opponent out at max distance and severely limit an opponents options at max distance.
Makoto justified Nerf: Damage reduction on Fukiage
Reasoning: I think we can agree that damage is not really an issue, especially since Fuki retains its stun. All fukiage combos still do 330+ damage since scaling reduces the damage reduction. This was kind of a phantom buff. it was to make makoto’s opponents feel as if fuki wasn’t really doing much damage, when in fact -10 damage means nothing after you’re stunned. Making people complacent about fukiage causes them to jump more, which then in turn makes fukiage land even more than before :).
Take those into consideration with the rest of her changes and she received nothing but buffs. While the rest of the world thinks Makoto was dealt quite a harsh hand (not like yang tho… poor yang…) in all actuallity she is really stronger than her AE incarnation. Only thing 3S Makoto has on AE makoto is the ability to Parry…
lmao… sounds about right
I’m not trying to dog on Makoto. That’s just mostly the Makotos I fight. I fight a few good ones; they usually have U1 and use it after a command grab. A typical U2 Makoto will usually throw out Ultra 85% of the time on wakeup, even during a combo in case you drop it. You can’t combo into it like in 3S, and most Makoto players online don’t use it to punish projectiles.
Juri: Put down the stick if they activate Feng Shui Engine. Guaranteed to do random dive kicks when they are about to lose if they have U2
Adon: What is a normal??
Ibuki: OH GOD WHATS GOING ON
El Fuerte: Just wants to play rock paper scissors with 3d graphics
Balrog: I’m just going to start round 1 with a focus in order to get my free focus crumple on 80% of Balrog players
Ibuki 2: Never stop blocking high when she has Super stocked.
when i see this it actually makes me sad.
cause they put so much time into the game, but the numbers just don’t make sense.
cause let’s face it, if you acquire 12,000 BP with a character, but you never crack 1500 PP, something is not right…