Journey of a TigerLord: Vs. Vega

i might be gettin a ps3 soon man. i was at my bro in laws house playin and every guy that was high ranked that i played was garbage as hell. i was like damn this is easy i gotta jump on here for a long period of time to find some good kats ya feel me

Yeah and ps3 is laggy as hell. Even the “good” connections kinda suck.

that was the MAIN reason i didnt want one in the first but it seems like easy

And also dont forget…ps3 is naturally slower…so everytime i go to a tournament that’s run on ps3, which is 99.9% of the time…i always have to readjust myself and try to press my buttons slower cuz the speed always messes up my timing from playing on xbox. It’s pretty gay.

The way i’ve always thought of it was if XBL was free like PSN 99% of us would be on there. Just my opinion though

Could you guys keep the ps3 vs 360 stuff out my thread? I’m being nice about it of course, but really I’m telling you not asking you. Stop it. Thanks, I appreciate it.

EL just pooed in my salad.

Fair enough :smiley: good luck, hope you play a decent Vega

I actually have more then enough solid Vegas for the study. Rugal and theonlyJ will more then suffice and Mask Terror suprised me. Actually I know the match very well already but for some odd reason the Sagat forums asked for this match and I have no idea why. It didn’t really change or anything other then Vega getting U2.

Yeah i’ve heard nothing but good stuff about Rugz. You got Tatsu in your phone you good :o

WOW u n theonlyJ played, plz do tell…
Surprised u huh…? I gotta get w/ MT on this one.

I mean if anyone wants to talk about the match feel free to hit me up on AIM or MSN. Or you can come to this Mirc chat I hang out in.

The damage out put nerf on Sagat’s part and the mask buff really changed how the pacing of this match goes.

It’s more of a battle of attrition now whereas before both chars I think tried to end the match really quickly. A couple wrong guesses and VEga would be sooooo dead and if Sagat got stuck in the izuna trap, while risky on Vega’s part, it could prove really troublesome. Honestly I only Izuna Sagat in the corner now, it’s alot easier to deal with him in general when I don’t have to fear being instantly killed with a good amount of life still left from TU FADC etc.

I meant how they play hasn’t changed. Sagat sucking doesn’t mean he stops throwing shots and pulls a bazooka outta his ass crack know what I mean jellybean?

I dunno maybe they asked because sloppy knees don’t do the job anymore.

those knees are what made the match in Sagats favor. You couldnt get near st.lk range without risking eating lk.TK, and face Sagat’s cr.lk barrage. So my ideal range was a risky place to be. My poke range wasnt where I wanted to be because I could and would not win of pokes alone, when one Kara Tiger Uppercut = 600 + damage at that range. With out your st.lk, Sagat is more prone to my pressuere. Not only that the only thing that you can really do up close is push me away with cr.lk, cr.lp, st.lp xx TK, and you can only do that once, which means that no meter, and you have to take chances to land a hit. So you cant push me to the corner, and you cant defenitly do eight to nine repititions and gain enough meter to go for TU xx FADC, and do decent chip damage.

The match up imo has changed drastacly. Especially now that DP xx FADC xx Ultra dont run this game.

Hmm not really. St.mk still eats almost everything Claw has. Sagat can still knee Claw in his face and Claw’s hit box allows for very easy knee spacing. Also the knee wasn’t what made it Sagat’s favor. It was the fact that one knockdown and Claw was dead. Knee was just a part of that.

Also what makes you think I can’t do a repeated chain? LK TK is +1 on block and gives Sagat then spacing he needs to do another with cr.lp to tk or cr.mp to tk. Also Claw’s fastest moves are 4 frames so pressing buttons isn’t ideal. So what exactly is stopping me? Not Claw that’s for sure.

The match is different, but don’t post inaccuracies. You are gonna confuse people.

Ya what you’re saying makes sense el, pushing buttons is still bad. You basically have to block for a while until sagat has to readjust spacing after some tks. His overhead isn’t trouble nor are his throws but being tkd into the corner is very real threat and less than ideal. I dunno about st. Mk tho I don’t know if it has the range necessary to really shut claw down.

I think sagat is actually pretty hard to play right.

But honestly this is largely conjecture, I have yet to face a single sagat worth shit in super

It’s not the range of the st.mk it’s the hitbox.

Throws are a big deal as they lead to the same thing. Claw is on the floor closer to the corner. Your best bet is just to eat an overhead and backdash. Most braindead way to escape pressure from Sagat if you have life to spare.

Agreed

I Hate sagat throw, it put you in an uncomfortable position either in corner or away and sagat can start he’s tiger shot barricade

If you are whoring Vega’s cr.mp, then yes cr.mp makes for very easy knee spacing. Especially kara-knee pokes. What you dont know is that st.mp and st.lp stop that knee spacing, it keeps it in check. The reason i say knee’s where what made the match up in Sagats favor in Sagat was that it lead to knock down, it lead to the knock down that you needed, the spacing you needed to jump in or dash in. Not only that Tiger knee pressure made possible; a safe effective, damaging, meter building, risk free attack, 50/50 mix up. And yes st.mk eats claws over used over ratted cr.mp and key pokes like cr.lp, st.lk, cr.mk, st.mk. But you are assuming I am not going take that into account. You think that im simply going to try and poke my way out, or not use the kara-throw. Not only that you forgot about Cosmic Heel, st.mk loses to that when spaced, where if i land it, i can do a whole lot of crap to you as well.

As for your frame advantage after one spaced TK. How many are you going to do?

cr.lp xx lk.TK - cr.lp - lk.TK - cr.lp xx mk.TK

after the third tiger knee you cant really do much I can either throw or back dash, or go for a throw which is 3 frames. You can cr.lp or you can TU if you feel ballsy.

and say after the second one you decide to do st.mk, your option after that are limited if i block it. If i get hit then you get to go to town. Or you can attempt to jump in which is risky for you.

And lets assume you dont go for a knee string. You go for a normal string with several frame traps where if i even attempt to tech or poke i get counter hit. Or a simple tick. If your tick is succesful, then im in the shitter again, if not i have the space needed to space you and regain composure. but if you simply go for a block string your options are limited or a mk.TK again you are limited.

And lets not forget the most important thing about defense when it comes to Vega and Tiger Knee’s. Standing up really fucks up your spacing and makes that ever so important +1 frame can become +0 which slows your offense. which most of the time is what one needs if he knows what to look for.

Also your offense is not scary any more, you cant really chip me to death any more, and i can take a chance after blocked TK because your TU xx FADC is not scary anymore. I still have to respect cr.lk, on wake up, but when standing you are not scary any more. ill take 50 chip damage just to regain composure than to eat 150-300 damage cuz i was to chicken shit to block. only time you are going to make me worry about anything is when you corner me, and thats why I have footsies, to keep that from happening.

Of course reason i say this match up is not the same is because I used to play against a very annoyingly and aggressive Sagat, that played just like you. Ever heard of Evilee? He is an east coast player. Well i played him once in super and his Sagat wasnt the same dominating power house that he was. Ive also played booty on your board who has one of the better Sagats i played, and he tried using Vanilla strats and it wasnt as effective.

Regardless this is all theory fighter, and a lot of players give Sagat to many free TK because they dont know thier pokes. I havent that many Sagats, or played a Sagat since Evilee to make me shit myself. just like you probably have played like only 2-4 good claws.

Sagat can keep going with the usage of cr.mp, cr.lp, or st.lk all cancelled into TK. It’s your risk if you want to try to press something or not. You might eat a TU. You might eat a combo. Who knows? I might block. Guessing games are fun. YAY!!!

And I know all of Claws pokes that beat st.mk. I also know that Claw can punish gats st.mk on reaction with slide, st.hp, st.mk, cr.mp and several other buttons.

I know plenty actually. Most of what I know comes from dicking around in the lab when I’m bored. Which all the time.

This is just discussing the options that both chars have available. How is that theory? If I saw Claw has better footsies and controls that spacing alot better then Sagat does is this theory. No. It’s fact. I don’t like people tossing around that word when it’s not applicable. We are having an intelligent discussion about a match. and we haven’t once said anything that is theoretical.