John Nelson, Tournament Legacy, and Team HORI

[Lost_Fragment]

I think that, as very visible members of the FGC, people like Champ and Justin do kind of have a responsibility to not promote tournaments that have a history of shady business.

But at this point in things, it feels like focusing too much on that issue is a misdirection of energy. This is about John Nelson and TL, mainly.

[Master_Chibi]

Or I’m just cynical

**its not every thread though, you wound me sir!

Every thread. You have an annoying little symbiotic relationship with threads that way.

[thekid302]

All this money he owe’s people and nobody stomped him out yet? If you take money from me or dont give me what you said you would there is a 99% chance your gettin the business. I just got outa jail and i aint goin back!

[kaoticdragon]

All this money he owe’s people and nobody stomped him out yet? If you take money from me or dont give me what you said you would there is a 99% chance your gettin the business. I just got outa jail and i aint goin back!

from what i’ve heard he’s at least paid out players. its just… sometimes it’s been less than expected, or not day of the tourney, etc. now, where he’s missing this 85k from or why sponsors are bailing on him or how come he was so cheap with Team HORI… /shrug

also fchamp won scr 2010 AE which had its money handled by TL according to that redrapper interview? didn’t hear anything wrong with that tourney in terms of money so i guess there’s that too

[shinwolverine]

shits fucked up

[Honzogonzo]

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thats all from me

John if you still want to fight we can make it happen at your house. I warn you though I play marvel therefore I am black and I will be bringing some nice fellas I met in south central, ironically, when I was down in socal for revelations 2011. Wish you the best, I don’t care if you die.

[ThatJollyOlBastid]

I challenged John to a fight at Apex, he did not respond.

[King-Sun]

I think that, as very visible members of the FGC, people like Champ and Justin do kind of have a responsibility to not promote tournaments that have a history of shady business.

But at this point in things, it feels like focusing too much on that issue is a misdirection of energy. This is about John Nelson and TL, mainly.

sigh…

[piskooooo]

If you’re going to do something (like run a tournament), do it well or not at all.

rip fgc

[Killa_Sasa]

Honzo, you should’ve finished with a “You have 24 hours.” Always add an ultimatum.

[janoDX]

Found this on Google + from a guy called Glenn Cravens… You know him from that spam twitter called GYT (I love you Glenn)

Everyone’s coming out about John Nelson in light of what is (and isn’t) happening at Revelations 2012. I’ll say two stories and be done with it.

The night of Triple Threat, everything went to crap, as it was documented. The money, the Gootecks quote, etc. And I’m sitting there in the bleachers thinking WTF is up with all of this. I’m about to leave with no footage (the now-defunct UFragTV at the time was doing the stream), just one interview (Justin) and pretty much nothing else. It was already a chaotic time within my own ranks, and now I’m watching a shitty tournament happen … again!

Everyone was saying that it was the worst-run tournament ever. For me, it was No. 2. About a year earlier, there was a tournament in San Diego run by a guy named Dane, and it could not have gone any worst. That is the benchmark (LOL) for terrible tournaments. Triple Threat wasn’t lower than the San Diego tournament because it actually had an ending. Nobody in the venue knew about the San Diego tournament and how terrible it was, so they couldn’t compare it like I could.

So … Gootecks says his thing, the final match is played, and the tournament ends, and I’m about to leave and go home. Someone invites me to a post-tournament dinner (which will forever be one of my 3 regrets of being in SoCal, I can explain that later) and I go there instead. Then I go home and write a post-tourney report.

Two days later, John calls me and talks about how he fucked up and he’s asking me to understand where he’s coming from. All I did was listen to see how much was BS and how much was truth. And part of me is going back to last year, when Dane was pulling the same crap on me in a two-days-later interview. The more I remembered what Dane did, the more I didn’t care about what John was telling me. It was just more “I messed up, forgive me.”

So in the end of the conversation, John asks me if I’m going to write a story telling his side of what happened and how he’s remorseful, etc. I told him I would think about it, and I hung up.

The moment I hung up, I knew I wasn’t going to write a story. I did it last year when Dane screwed up in San Diego, and that didn’t get anywhere, although the only good thing about it is that I was able to tell people how they could get their money back; I think only the doubles players got their money, and the 2-day delay probably helped Dane find a way to get some money just in case any Brawl player wanted money (pure speculation).

I was just tired of all the crap. I think … had I not dealt with Dane and seen that tournament, I would have written the story for John. But both events (save the Triple Threat having an ending) seemed so similar. I was upset at myself for going to that event. And considering the chaos within my own ranks, this was not a great time for me.

Later in the year, I get an IM asking me if I had talked to John, and obviously no. This is was so left field that I thought it was a joke. It was months later and no I wasn’t going to write a story about John and no I wasn’t going to call him to do something. If he wanted to get in touch with me, he had my number (as was the case when he called me two days after Triple Threat). John never called.

I was told by several people outside of my team (at the time) that John was very upset I didn’t write a story that told his side. So I don’t put it past him that he wanted to find a way to take me down. Oh good job, because if you did, it worked. Good job, John. You took advantage of a guy who was a terrible leader of people and caught him at his weakest.

The worst day of my life happens (on the day of my 30th birthday), and about a week later, John gives me a call. He wanted to patch things up. I was like … ok it’s been several months, why not? So we had a talk and he was telling me about this guy who wanted to run a Madden tournament. I’m like … ok let’s get this done. At this point, I’m on the brink at my job in the OC, and more bad personal stuff is happening by the day. Maybe this would help me get through things.

So I’m back at HAX (which is like, I thought the guys did John wrong here, and we’re HERE for a “big meeting?”). There were about 10 people in the meeting, all executives of some sort. And we start proposing the idea of this Madden tournament and how it was going to work.

I didn’t leave the meeting with positive thoughts and I had no faith in the event actually coming to life.

I’m going to keep the details of the meeting to myself since it didn’t get off the ground, but let me say this … there are more people out there who think video game players are lemmings. There are MORE PEOPLE out there, who have jobs that make them feel like they own something, who think that they can attract plenty of kids to a tournament and get their money and run away without having to face the consequences. You know how you watch an action show on TV and there’s a boss only to realize there’s a boss of the boss, and then there’s more bosses? That’s what that Madden meeting felt like. That’s what hearing about Revelations this past weekend felt like. Guys and girls, there’s MORE PEOPLE out there. The John stuff, that’s sad in itself. We have to make sure stuff like this doesn’t happen again. We have to be proactive in stopping people who are schemers and manipulators.

I applaud those people who are prominent in the community who took a stand by not going to the event.

And the TL twitter said there’s two sides to every story. I’m not sure we’re going to ever hear the other side.

There, I said part of my peace. Now I’m going to go work on my DDR pad. Here, enjoy a video of Wayne Brady dancing - gootecks gets kicked out of SCR by john nelson

[Raz0r]

Anyone who can annoy Master Chibi is posting the correct way.

[Master_Chibi]

Anyone who can annoy Master Chibi is posting the correct way.

Shush you, before I sue you for giving me a seizure for that avatar.

[The_Game_II]

Found this on Google + from a guy called Glenn

that’s the dumbfuck who floods peoples timelines on twitter, that guy is terrible, why quote him? lol j/k

I debated whether to write it, but with other people opening up, I felt compelled to do it. My story isn’t about getting screwed out of money but about a guy who tried to use the media to get what he wanted. Again, I’m not sure if what he did post Triple Threat was partly to get at me for not helping him, but I can’t rule it out now.

In a lot of the conversations that followed that Madden meeting, he repeatedly talked about money. He was trying to get in my head that money was key, and that it was the only way to make any tournament successful, and if we get money, then I get money, and then I can get more money. Money money money money moneeeeeeyeeee. But I wasn’t and am not the type of person that was going to have dollar signs flashing out my eyes; I’m not like that. I hate talking about money.

In a way, I’m glad I was forced out of SoCal at that time because having to deal with a guy like that would have been more than unbearable.

–GCII

[kaoticdragon]

@glenn
I met you once at a UCI Fight Nights 2v2 tournament. You came all the way out to stream and post about our super small ghetto tournament. But it was awesome. I am glad you were not permanently out of socal and that by the time I had gotten into the scene, all this was in the past.

[Vintage]

as I said before, if any players at Rev 2012 want to share their experiences, positive or negative, or if TL themselves have legitimate proof to defending against what has been stated here, I for one will welcome it.

I attended and help run the ST side tourney there. I realize a lot has been said but from my experience, all I received was class. John & Co. literally went above & beyond to get our tourney going. From personally bringing over tables himself, to accompanying me & others to the loading dock to facilitate the transfer of our cabs to the venue, he did without hesitation or complaints. Anything I needed he was happy to help. The venue itself was huge…and fairly empty. More communities on the “outside looking in” should have taken advantage of the opportunity to run a tourney. Outside of having a difficult time locating the venue, I was happy. Got to see some old friends and watch ST…couldn’t have asked for more honestly.

[fruityryu]

I attended and help run the ST side tourney there. I realize a lot has been said but from my experience, all I received was class. John & Co. literally went above & beyond to get our tourney going. From personally bringing over tables himself, to accompanying me & others to the loading dock to facilitate the transfer of our cabs to the venue, he did without hesitation or complaints. Anything I needed he was happy to help. The venue itself was huge…and fairly empty. More communities on the “outside looking in” should have taken advantage of the opportunity to run a tourney. Outside of having a difficult time locating the venue, I was happy. Got to see some old friends and watch ST…couldn’t have asked for more honestly.

Was there a bonus pot for ST?

[Vintage]

Was there a bonus pot for ST?

Nope. With ST (presently), we keep everything in house (prizes, cash).

[janoDX]

that’s the dumbfuck who floods peoples timelines on twitter, that guy is terrible, why quote him?

Yeah why quote that spam ***** that I don’t follow on twitter… (joke)

[kaoticdragon]

Nope. With ST (presently), we keep everything in house (prizes, cash).

regardless i’m honestly glad it was an enjoyable experience for some people. good stuff to you guys!