Jack is Ass

[J0E_LEWIS]

I rarely use corset kicks. If I’m styling ill do it to be an asshole.

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[Blackgold]

I keep forgetting his cossack kicks and his overhead. Does everybody use them as a common move in your repertoire?

Overhead is garbage, cossacks are mildly useful. Outside of setups, cossacks seems to almost never work. The Smash is very hard to land and otherwise the damage is very low.

[Onslaught_X]

No.

He’s a jackass.

YOU TOOK THE ONLY REASON I EVEN CLICKED ON THIS THREAD AWAY FROM ME.

[Wantonx]

Does anyone else use his kara (if you can call it that) throw? Not a lot of added range but it does keep those point blank throws from missing on the rare occasion your throwing someone with jack.

[Hertog]

Please leave Jack alone for version 2013… I’m afraid they’re gonna nerf him to hell.

[truendymion]

Yeah i know its very early (day 1 lol) but hear me out.

At first hes notmals look awesome with just amazing range but then you play people find out that.

1. Slow Start up.
2. Slow in general
3. Ass Priority
4. Hes “best pokes” get stuffed free. He can’t frame trap (like say Sim) even one bit.

Hes only good air to air attack is j.lp which is pathetic.If you use anything else most chars will just beat you air to air no problem every time.
Hes air to ground is pretty awful too, you really should’t be jumping at people at all.

The air to air thing would be fine if he fucking had any remotely useful ground anti air normals (like rog c.hp, rolento s.mp ect ect). He has none. Nothing even slight useful there.

Hes only AA is hes m. h. and EX dp which have some decen invincability but the angle is odd and its not nearley enough to to protect him from jump happy players.

On to the specials.

Hes HSS is ass. I main honda in AE… its not as nearly as good. You are a big minus on block, and even wen you hit it KDs so your oponent can just roll away. Basiclly you can’t do any pressuere on hit or on block. Oh and you can’t play footsies with jab HHS because hes walk speed is abysmal, the c.lp has all the problems I’ve listed before. You pretty much need to your oponent to walk in to the jab, not press any normals and stop blocking all at the same time… Just LOL.

Hes punch special has similar range and priority like hes normal S.HP, its slow and has no invincability.Its ass.

Hes “fire ball” its okish (but not really). You can do good damage if you hit it and tag but its so easy to jump over it and it has a lot of recovery. + people will be jumping on you way too much anyway becasue of hes the lack of anti airs and ari to airs.

Hes rush is good vs fireballs and in combos but having in mind all the problmes he has its not that big a deal at all.

The DP is the only quite good thing he has imo but again, too many other problems to care.

Can go on but don’t want to make this post too long.

P.S. He fly things is literary worst and less useful then the tount super jump that Dan does in Sf4…

LOL!

[roknin]

LOL!

Seriously, though to be fair it was first day. :-p

This is why people should give games time to mature at least a few months.

[Beganoo]

Dunno I still dont think hes that great. Yeah some great players were using him at the anniversary tornamnet and doing well but I have the feeling that if this game was played as much as marvel or SF4 and people were godlike at it he would be meh. Hes not ass tho.Was worng about that.Hes good for some countepicks and what not but as a main that you play every time… not too sure about that.

• he still doesnt have any good Anit Air/Air to Air normals afaik which totaly ruins the character for me.

Just imagine hes suprise attack zoning whit a awesome AA normal like Blarog c.H , a Air to Air like hondas neutral jump HP or Blarogs jump back HP. Now that would have made him great.

Shit can still get over hes DP and its harder to react sometimes.

[echelonNYK]

I’m really having a hard time against characters with block strings into crossup. When they crossup i’m lost on what to do.

[Juri_kills_friend]

avoid lili >=D

[Gemakai]

I’m really having a hard time against characters with block strings into crossup. When they crossup i’m lost on what to do.

Well you see the easy thing to do there is…

wait til 2013 patch

[echelonNYK]

far mp>mp target combo, but you hold down the second mp

Any tricks with Diamond Reamer? I totally forget that he even had this move after doing his trials months ago

All i can think of is if someone is doing a full screen taunt lol.

[SimSimIV]

Mp mp is great for full screen zoning some times for variety, like against gief. It beats lariat and also catches jumps some times. Also it isn’t easily AC’d, which some players use to get in.
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[truendymion]

Dunno I still dont think hes that great. Yeah some great players were using him at the anniversary tornamnet and doing well but I have the feeling that if this game was played as much as marvel or SF4 and people were godlike at it he would be meh. Hes not ass tho.Was worng about that.Hes good for some countepicks and what not but as a main that you play every time… not too sure about that.

• he still doesnt have any good Anit Air/Air to Air normals afaik which totaly ruins the character for me.

Just imagine hes suprise attack zoning whit a awesome AA normal like Blarog c.H , a Air to Air like hondas neutral jump HP or Blarogs jump back HP. Now that would have made him great.

Shit can still get over hes DP and its harder to react sometimes.

I’ve been maining JackX since the DLC dropped and I’ve had great success. Yeah he has a deadzone above his head but he controls the entire space outside of that. If you couldn’t cross up JackX he would be completely untouchable.
I really don’t see why he needs an AA normal when his DP is one of the most amazing AA’s in the game. Also his j.LP/LK and j.MP are solid air-to-airs…
JackX with Balrog c.HP and Honda j.HP= the most broken character in existence.

[DevilJin_01]

I wanna use Jack X for sure since it seems like zoning is going to be pretty strong in this game once more people put it together+I hear people have a lot of trouble fighting him any way. Might as well figure this shit out now.

I’m thinking between pairing him up with Kazuya or Juri. Who would be better to pair with as far as adding damage and is it usually better to have Jack point or anchor? I could probably just change up depending on who is point. Juri seems like she’s still going to be strong footsies and spacing wise even after all of the changes plus she looks really fun to play since no more Viper.

Everyone’s talking about Law…but eh it’s Law.

[Intuitive2011]

I wanna use Jack X for sure since it seems like zoning is going to be pretty strong in this game once more people put it together+I hear people have a lot of trouble fighting him any way. Might as well figure this shit out now.

I’m thinking between pairing him up with Kazuya or Juri. Who would be better to pair with as far as adding damage and is it usually better to have Jack point or anchor? I could probably just change up depending on who is point. Juri seems like she’s still going to be strong footsies and spacing wise even after all of the changes plus she looks really fun to play since no more Viper.

Everyone’s talking about Law…but eh it’s Law.

I still think JACK will be a strong character come the update, it’s just that you’ll have to be smarter with the way you play. Especially with Seismo being much easier to block. That said, I’d recommend JACK/Kazuya. Simply put, if you play strong with JACK and manage to land a tag in, it’s curtains with EWGF.

[Wantonx]

I play a good bit of Juri/Jack but I’m sure that Kaz/Jack is a stronger team.

[echelonNYK]

Making his Seismo high was the dumbest thing ever. It kept people grounded and out of his face. Prepare to get jumped on even more now.

[truendymion]

Making his Seismo high was the dumbest thing ever. It kept people grounded and out of his face. Prepare to get jumped on even more now.

So what if people jump, everyone already jumps all over Jack, just DP the shit out of them or meet them in the air with j.MP or j.LP.

[echelonNYK]

What are you guys doing after his crossup?