Is XvSF Competitively Playable?

margalis · February 13, 2007, 11:38am

Callmeanewb brings the coherency.

Khiempossible · February 13, 2007, 1:49pm

sim beasting: [media=youtube]ej2i8wU0O3M[/media]

Everybody in Xmen can compete.

I’d post up the 1hitcombo juggs vids too, but Ryad took them down.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=70122

Igotthacoy · February 13, 2007, 4:07pm

So you based ur opinion of mvc2 on just cable alone. Nice. So why should we play street fighter 1 over ST? Its cuz theres a reason we play current or most recent games. Theres a reason why they were made. Why don’t you just try promoting Marvel vs Street Fighter? Or mvc1? SFIII:DI instead of 3rd Strike? seriously think about it.

1_2Man1_2God · February 13, 2007, 4:15pm

I remember I got XvSF for my birthday when it came out i was so happy, then i traded it for Metal Gear Solid,Alundra,Tekken 3,& Res.Evil Director’s Cut.I miss it now…MAME here i come.

Shiro_420 · February 13, 2007, 4:26pm

fox: Shit!!!

My MvC2 Magnus was evolved from this game. Almost no difference in the both of them

fbmachine: well some areas. mvc2 magneto does alot better.
such as. deals more damage with simple combos.
and has psylocke AAA hahaha

mvc2 magneto is alot better then xsf magneto

Prozac`Nation: XSF Magneto vs MvC2 Magneto, XSF Magneto wins. His infs are easier, and he’s just as fast. Assists simply don’t count in the comparison.

fbmachine: i doubt it. since he only needs one infin.
and dishes out more damage.

Prozac`Nation: I don’t see how he dishes out more damage at all. XSF Mag can corner link 3 tempests relatively easily. Any good masher can stop Mag from linking any in MvC2. Mag’s Punch throw in XSF can be Hypergrav’d from ‘Anywhere’, So a punch throw equates to his easier inf, until they’re dead.

The difficulty lies in supressing them until you can do that. Against a good Gambit, or Chun, in XSF, that would be very difficult. Mag would have plenty of difficulty supressing a few people in MvC2, as well. In fact, without an Assist, MvC2 mag is in some trouble. But… That assist isn’t part of Mag, and as such, doesn’t count when measuring him up.

fbmachine: so your telling me xsf mags needs meter to win.
mvc2 mags doesnt.
even then. a simple triple fierce combo does half life. xsf mags barely does 20% with it. this is what i meant by more damage.
1 on 1. in mvc2 mags owns everyone expect storm. and possibly dhalsim. depending on who gets hit first.
also the 2 games dizzys are different too. if yout not expecting mvc2 mags to dizzy, and he does. then hes got himself a quick escape. xsf one dies.

Prozac`Nation: Just because XSF Mag can do Tempest combos, and MvC2 Mag can’t(Mash-Escape = Not a combo), doesn’t give MvC2 mag an advantage. That doesn’t even begin to make sense. XSF Mag doesn’t ‘need’ meter to win. He could win with s.jab. Does meter help him? Yes. Does it help MvC2 Mag? Not really. That means MvC2 Mag has wasted resources, while XSF Mag does not.

MvC2 is also, a 3 player game. As such, the damage system is MvC2 is different. Characters have less life. They don’t ‘do more damage’. And it’s certainly not just MvC2 Mag. With few exceptions, ‘Every’ character compared from XSF to MvC2, does ‘more’ damage. It’s merely so that the 3 Character nature of the game doesn’t make it take too long.

That, in of itself, is a basic mechanic of the game. Another game mechanic, is the MvC2 ‘Escape dizzies’. However, that doesn’t speak for your case either, as by the same note, MvC2 Mag suffers from it when his opponent dizzies. Obviously, in this fictional match, we wouldn’t automatically adopt the MvC2 mechanics. Nor the XSF. For this reason alone, this whole thing is immensely moot.

In short, there have been no distinguishable improvements from the XSF Mag to the MvC2(Other then the supposed Damage spike. But by that means, MvC Ryu owns XSF Ryu. Yeah, ok george.) All of the elements of Magneto Air Rushdown… The ROM Infinite… It all ‘Came’ from XSF. XSF, just has more. The defining element of why MvC2 Mag Play ‘might’ be considered better, is because assists cover his weaknesses(Which, as much as you say otherwise, lead to him getting owned 1 vs 1). So if you want to argue that assists should count towards who he is in MvC2, be my guest. Otherwise, I really don’t think it’s gonna happen.

fbmachine: why dont we just leave this debate over opinion
since anyone who favours mvc2 over xsf would say magneto doesnt need tempest!
and vice versa

hope your just being nice man. cause you seem to just be picking fights with me.

Prozac`Nation: I didn’t really mean to come across as angry or anything. We can just agree to disagree. Overall, we’ve both said our piece and have reasonable points.

Cheers!

now this was one solid debait :tup:

deadfrog · February 13, 2007, 10:17pm

Indeed. It brightens my heart to witness two people not just expressing their differing opinions in a friendly manner, but also actually taking the time to consider, comprehend, and respect each other’s opinion. Fighting games aside, I’m really glad I read this forum.

Smokey · February 13, 2007, 10:35pm

Nah not at M.A.T nobody plays it right now

KrassHole · February 13, 2007, 10:39pm

so?? Free money for me that way =D

SuicidalGrandpa · February 13, 2007, 11:01pm

I’ve not really picked a team yet, but after I make my arcade stick…I’ll have to.

Suggestions for a scrub?

MegamanDS · February 13, 2007, 11:38pm

wolverine sabertooth

Shiro_420 · February 14, 2007, 12:19am

or team scrub (Cyclops Sabretooth)

Maj · February 14, 2007, 8:35am

Haha, i’m not sure if i should feel good about that. See, that article was written back when CvS2 wasn’t thought to be very balanced - kind of at the height of the Sagat/Blanka low fierce dominance. Nowadays there are at least a dozen extremely competitive characters in that game, so i kinda feel bad about encouraging you to waste time on such a mediocre team. Actually A-Chun isn’t half bad and A-Groove is one of the better options for Yun, but that whole team is strictly middle tier at best.

Anyway i’m flattered that you dig the website. Just so you know, i’m kinda in the middle of working on some random videos and it’s going to be a long while before i have any free time to update anything on Sonic Hurricane. Like 8-10 months, maybe.

Unfortunately there really isn’t very much on there that would be accessible to beginners. There’s that one CvS2 Guile Tactics video and maybe a couple of the strategy/reference articles, but aside from those it’s mostly obscure technical stuff that only hardcore CvS2 players would care about.

It’s pretty tough to make a good strategy guide because there’s such a broad range of skill levels out there. If you’re teaching someone in person, at least you can get a sense of where they’re at and build from there. On the other hand, if you’re trying to cover the entire spectrum, that’s an OBSCENE amount of work. I think it can be done and done well, but it would take one person like a year to do. Especially if it’s made accessible, like with visual aides and video clips and such.

System_1 · February 14, 2007, 9:09am

More like 3 and counting.

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System_1 · February 14, 2007, 9:20am

I know Dhalsim is good, otherwise I wouldn’t use him (I never touch him in MvC2). It’s just the matches I lose that piss me off. Especially Magneto (he can do a Hyper Grav whenever he feels like it and it’ll hit :/)

NemoDC · February 15, 2007, 8:32am

feelin the love

I remember when XvsSF came out when I was around 13 years old. That junx was MAD fun. Anyway, where I played (a military base in Virginia) everybody was really scrubby so whenever I read of all this infinite craziness I really enjoy it.

Anyway, since I was 8 years old I loved arcades (and the second-hand smoke that came with it). Alot of my childhood can be summed up with: Street Fighter Champion Edition, Street Fighter Hyper Fighting, Mortal Kombat 2, Killer Instinct, Primal Rage (it seems this game gets about zero love here. why is that?), Samurai Showdown 2, and then later XvsSF and MvC 1 came around… super. Anyway, I completely digress…

dog-face, your 2/2/07 forum message beginning with “Wow, this thread is really hot. Even Sabin jumped in the mix?! Wow.” was amazing. I’ve read it three times. Your passion for XvsSF was so completely communicated that I am astounded. This may seem to you an exaggeration, but I was truly moved by your post. “If I rang your doorbell right now, and had my 64, we could play and have fun. That’s XvSF.” Most definitely. Personally, I prefer Super Nintendo Mario Kart (I love battle mode shell/star 3-hit combo death rape), but that’s besides the point. (however, I hate ‘feather-jump into the pool then turtle’ strategy, but that’s another story).

I have alot of love for MvC2 (despite my being keenly aware that my lovely team of BB-Hood, Tron Bonne, and Sentinel needs work). Even though I am in my early 20s, it seems I am kind of an old-schooler. I still hate the concept of UNLIMITED assists. I prefer more one-on-one fighting without whoring your backup-friends. (If MvC2 had LIMITED assists ala MvC1, that came would be so much more compatible with my preferences…)

Basically, I thoroughly enjoyed your post, dog-face. Reading it, I now wish there was an XvsSF cabinet here in Japan. Since there isn’t, I have no choice but to learn Guilty Gear Core and/or Arcana Heart.

Sincerely yours,

Sabin · February 15, 2007, 8:54am

NemoDC I remember there being a xsf cabinet on the fighting game floor of More Amusement in Tokyo (in the 2d section, on the 4th floor i think it was if i remember correctly. i wonder if its still there)

but it was strictly a 1p cabinet only (cause as you know, any cabinet that is not linked is destined for 1p play only. there was some jap dood playing on it, but he was a random scrub, so i didnt spend any time playin :P)

Khiempossible · February 16, 2007, 3:49pm

XvSF at T8 this year.

What’s the werd on evo North and East?

XvSF seems to be everyone’s valentine.

Mixup · February 16, 2007, 4:12pm

I’m a scrub at the game but i still like it, it’s really fun to see how beastly the lower tier characters in marvel used to be. for that reason alone marvel players should love this game.

System_1 · February 16, 2007, 4:30pm

Slightly OT but:
Why is MSH vs SF so overlooked?

nightmarezero · February 16, 2007, 6:01pm

DarkBuu:

Part of the problem of this game is that ppl think that rejump jab strong fierce infinites are kool and necessary to win. Wellllllll their not kool and they arent necessary. You wanna do an inifinte? Do some kool combo video shit, if not than im not gonna be impressed by any simple infinite that u can do. And Mag shit is not really much impressive anymore so keep that shit to urself.
Then theres the ppl who know that u know how and can do a bullshit infinite on them but you choose not to in order to make the match more interesting, and what do they do in return? Hit u with an infinite cuz u grabbed them with wolverine 10 times and hit em wit bullshit air combos, I guess they find the 10 grabs embarrassing and some how make themselves feel better with baby infinites?
Then theres the runaway storm ppl. Storm is such a cunt in this game. She can make just about any hit from anywhere on the screen into an infinite, re-dizzy sooo easily, and she can run away in here worse then mvc2.
And like said before grabs in this game are soooooo fukin random, that wouldnt be soo bad if it wasnt for the infinites that followed them.
I understand where ur trying to get at but this game is just not tourny worthy, its just tooo damn broken.

And if there was a character who started the word “broken” in this game…it was cyclops. that man was a glitch before a glitch became a glitch. what really made put that game to the “i don’t give a f*** about this game” list was cylcops being able to do a 100% damage optic blast as a counter move.