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[fishjie]

and another thing about the filler

its so ridiculous

example, after gohan beats cell, pikon mauls cell in hell. but then goku defeats pikon. goku couldnt beat regular cell, but then after gohan kills him, cell became a super saiyan level 2. and now somehow goku > pikon > cell?!?! bullshit!

jesus christ the only reason im posting in this thread was because i came 20 times watching that special anniversary ep. only reason im participating in this gamefaqs discussion, which i guess i kind of started by asking the question of how the humans are tiered. lulz

[Tigerboi]

Uh, the Buu saga was far too confusing and well…gay to really put a gauge on.

the entire thing to me was proof that toriyama just really didn’t care anymore. The strength levels made no sense.

Was kid buu stronger than super buu? Was goku ssj3 stronger than gotenks ssj3?

The buu saga had too many fucking different forms and transformations.

[Azrael]

@ Azrael

IIRC several of the Z-Fighters die, and they all decide to stay behind and train on King Kai’s planet.

When? If you’re talking about Saiyajin Arc, I already mentioned that. I just don’t see how, if Kaio couldn’t make Goku any stronger than Saiyajin Arc Vegeta, how it would give the humans an even bigger boost in power.

I don’t find it that improbable that after a DECADE or more after Frieza’s defeat that 1 or 2 of the fighters that weren’t born with Saiyan blood in them, became as strong as Frieza after a decade or more of training.

Time is, unfortunately, irrevalent. Plus, Krillin and Yamucha stopped training after the Cell Games. Tien continued training, so while he probably got stronger, it wouldn’t be by leaps and bounds. You have to remember just how badass Freeza was for his time.

That’s only fair.

It would be fair for the humans…but its not. That’s why they get sidelined for most of DBZ.

If Tien was only around Ginyu level, there would be no way in hell that he would be able to contain Super Cell for as long as he did.

Contain. Contain, that’s the key word. The Kikouhou is a very concentrated blast, so he doesn’t have to be stronger than the enemy. That was the best Tien could do, had they actually fought Cell would have waxed him.

vegeta got MAN HANDLED by one of the ginyu force, a few eps later after tien got taught by king kai, tien man handled TWO members by himself

That’s just anime-specific filler. Movies also don’t really count either.

Is cockiness a saiyan trait or sumtin just for gohan and vegeta…i swear the world would be alot safer if it wasn’t for them.

I remember hearing somewhere that part of the SSJ transformation includes cockiness/increased aggression or something. I know its a side effect of fusion.

Although the world would have been a lot safer if not for Goku’s irresponsibility, honestly.

– Could have beaten #19 and #20 easily if only he’d taken the medicine Trunks brought him all the way from the future.

– Should not have given Cell a senzu bean.

– Could have mollywhooped Majin Vegeta in two seconds flat, thus preventing Majin Buu from even coming out.

– Could have taken out Fat Buu in SSJ3 form, but decides to leave the fate of the world to a couple of 7 year olds.

You’re debating power levels? What is this? A DBZ fansite, circa 1998? PlanetNamek.com or some shit?

Ah, planetnamek. Those were the days.

You know you can’t help yourself. :razzy:

EDIT
I believe the original Japanese VA for Tien died two years ago, which may be a reason why Tien didn’t show up in the new special.

[Artayes]

I believe the original Japanese VA for Tien died two years ago, which may be a reason why Tien didn’t show up in the new special.

oh, someone told me that earlier and it might be true. I was wondering why Tien and Chaotzu never showed up and that seems like a pretty good reason, but it would have been cool if he at least appeared in the background with the others.but knowing Tien, he would have participated with the others.

[BadMojo]

Take away Tien, Krillen, Yamcha, Chaotzu, Roshi, Androids, Uub, Tao Pai Pai and Videl.

Anyone else agree Mr. Satan to be the strongest human out of the rest of the human population? The man did win a martial arts tournament before fighting Cell. Oh and lets not forget he peaced out the two bandits after they shot his dog.

[Artayes]

Take away Tien, Krillen, Yamcha, Chaotzu, Roshi, Androids, Uub, Tao Pai Pai and Videl.

Anyone else agree Mr. Satan to be the strongest human out of the rest of the human population? The man did win a martial arts tournament before fighting Cell. Oh and lets not forget he peaced out the two bandits after they shot his dog.

Yajirobe would wax him. If General Blue was still around he would beat him. I don’t think Mr. Popo is human but he would beat him too. Olibu would win but he is a dead human of many, many years in otherworld. Crane hermit would beat him as well. Ox King and Chi Chi would kick his butt hard as well.

It goes something like this- Uub, Androids, Tien, Krillen, Yamcha, Roshi, Yajirobe, Tao Pai Pai, Chaotzu, Ox King, Videl, Chi Chi, Crane Hermit, and Satan somewhere after that. there are a few other humans that are still around pretty strong like the old man Gohan met before Cell games that Pai Pai beat and the Native American father under Korin Tower.

[VG_Emblem]

The only thing that really matters about the power levels in the Buu Saga is Kid Buu versus Super Buu. I believe Kid Buu is stronger than any other Buu, except for the form after he absorbed Mystic Gohan. Even then, Kid Buu is a more dangerous/reckless fighter.

[LeRaldo]

Contain. Contain, that’s the key word. The Kikouhou is a very concentrated blast, so he doesn’t have to be stronger than the enemy. That was the best Tien could do, had they actually fought Cell would have waxed him.

Just wanted to add: not only that, but I believe the attack he was doing depletes his actual life force instead of just his ki/energy or whatever, so if you use it too much, you will die. That’s why Goku was in a panic when Tenshinhan did it more than like, two times (and ended up doing it like 45 times, lol). I believe he would have died just from overusing that attack, had Goku not instant transmissioned and gave him a Senzu. At least, that’s how I interpreted the battle.

[Tizoc]

Although the world would have been a lot safer if not for Goku’s irresponsibility, honestly.

– Could have beaten #19 and #20 easily if only he’d taken the medicine Trunks brought him all the way from the future.

– Should not have given Cell a senzu bean.

– Could have mollywhooped Majin Vegeta in two seconds flat, thus preventing Majin Buu from even coming out.

– Could have taken out Fat Buu in SSJ3 form, but decides to leave the fate of the world to a couple of 7 year olds.

I wonder if Toriyama did that to make up for more fights and/or piss off the fans? Cuz no matter how naive and goodhearted Goku is, he needs to think of the bigger picture; badguy destroys world, no more food.

[Ki_Shima]

Yes, linking to a video where Krillin cuts someone in half who is extremely malleable proves that Krillin is stronger than Freezer, especially after Krillin gets murdered (again lol) and then Yamcha says what’s doubtless his filler line (which is probably a lie too since characters, you know, can do that).

Such excellent proof you have.

i really didn’t see it as being filler unless kid buu causing trouble in heaven was filler. and just because krillin died he isnt strong? i think this is the same thinking that prevents people from believing goku can teleport with superman away from our sun and then crush his head with one hand

SSJ3 Goku slightly > Fat Buu
Mystic Gohan extremely > Super Buu

I think Mystic Gohan is the strongest none fused character entity by the end of Z

mystic gohan got a lesson of how to fight when buu absorbed piccolo and gotenks

uub aint kid buu

gohan raped super evil buu for free, way worse than ssj3 gotenks.

when goku was ssj3 he was not able to beat kid buu, who imo is weaker than super evil buu

which means super buu (the buu after absorbing gohan) could flick gohans head off

i think people dont really wanna accept the power upgrade, so many years f training goes by and we all still think frieza has some kind of strength. i mean seriously even 19 and 20 were far superior to final form frieza

i think you all are looking at it like as soon as they stopped reading power levels their power strated to raise EXTREMELY slowly

edit: oh yeah, um. you see trunks EASILLY defeated MECHA FRIEZA… [media=youtube]ya980HZhiHQ[/media]

BTW

goku shuld of taken the medicine earlier?

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TAKE THIS WHEN YOU GET SICK!!!

[Shade]

Ki Shima: It was filler. It never happened in the Manga. And you’re misunderstanding what we’re saying. Sure, Saiyans, and random beings made from science and magic were more powerful than Freeza, but not the humans. It was a feat they simply couldn’t do on their own.

That’s just the facts.

Oh, and Piccolo. But Namek’s are aliens, anyway. Aliens with hella God like abilities.

[The_Epidemic]

i just wanna say tht Tien (fuck any of the earthlings) became stronger than frieza…

dont let tri-beam fool you.

Lol im postive that android 19 (the fat one…is that 19 or 20?) could of taken out everyone besides goku, vegeta and maaaybe piccolo.

[Azrael]

I wonder if Toriyama did that to make up for more fights and/or piss off the fans? Cuz no matter how naive and goodhearted Goku is, he needs to think of the bigger picture; badguy destroys world, no more food.

After having written about Goku for so long, Toriyama really wanted to give the spotlight to other characters, especially Gohan. That, and Goku was essentially overpowered anyway. So that’s why Goku is always off somewhere dead/being irresponsible. But the fans still loved Goku so Toriyama would have no choice but to have him come back and save the day.

goku shuld of taken the medicine earlier?

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TAKE THIS WHEN YOU GET SICK!!!

Um, English dub.

It’s been awhile since I’ve seen the original Japanese version, but I’m pretty sure Trunks gives him the meds as a preventative measure. When Goku does get sick, the others ask why, and he says he never got sick so he never bothered to take it.

[Ki_Shima]

Ki Shima: It was filler. It never happened in the Manga. And you’re misunderstanding what we’re saying. Sure, Saiyans, and random beings made from science and magic were more powerful than Freeza, but not the humans. It was a feat they simply couldn’t do on their own.

That’s just the facts.

Oh, and Piccolo. But Namek’s are aliens, anyway. Aliens with hella God like abilities.

erm… if saiyans are so great then why is it that

raditz > piccolo and goku (and we all know these two were way ahead of the earth fighters)

after a YEAR of training

1 Z fighter could kill 5 or more raditz easilly (1 saiba man had equal power to raditz)

a power boost like that in a year? HUMANS???

Um, English dub.

It’s been awhile since I’ve seen the original Japanese version, but I’m pretty sure Trunks gives him the meds as a preventative measure. When Goku does get sick, the others ask why, and he says he never got sick so he never bothered to take it.

but he said he “didnt bother take it cos he never got sick” in the english dub, he needed to take it when he got sick cos if he didnt then why would it be in his body? it’s taken to kill whatevers there and if he doesnt know if its there or not why waste it?

you people really know how to ad-lib

[Shade]

I can’t tell if he’s serious, or trolling.

[Azrael]

Meaning, the virus was in his body already (memory is fuzzy, but I think he caught it on Yardrat), but it may not manifest itself immediately. Trunks gives him the medicine and tells him this virus, which he has now but may not show itself until later, will kill him, here take this medicine to kill it. Goku doesn’t take it because he never sees any symptoms, despite the boy from the future telling him he will get sick and die.

You can’t use the English dub as gospel, its notorious for mis-translations/making up its own shit.

[Ki_Shima]

I can’t tell if he’s serious, or trolling.

both

you probably didnt understand what i meant, what i was saying that humans arent incapable of getting to that point, maybe not as fast as saiyans and namekians but they are able to get there, which is evident with the power boost allowing them to take on 5 raditz single handedly

Meaning, the virus was in his body already (memory is fuzzy, but I think he caught it on Yardrat), but it would take 3 years to actually make him sick. Trunks gives him the medicine and tells him this virus, which he has now but may not show itself until later, will kill him, here take this medicine to kill it. Goku doesn’t take it because he never sees any symptoms, despite the boy from the future telling him he will get sick and die.

You can’t use the English dub as gospel, its notorious for mis-translations/making up its own shit.

ok so it makes more sense now, even though it was said the virus was something that hit people world wide which lead me to believe he caught it on earth

so it didnt hit people world wide? if it didnt then how would he know how to beat this virus? so there was seperate dialogue explaining how the capsule corp dissected goku to find out how the virus worked?

sorry but something isnt adding up at all

[Azrael]

I found the Japanese version of that scene, and let me admit that I was wrong. Trunks says “Take this when you start showing symptoms”, so Goku wasn’t particularly being irresponsible by not taking it.

Though on that point, Bulma does suggest that they use the dragonballs to just wipe Dr. Gero out then and there, but everyone insists on just fighting instead, so blame Goku + Others for recklessly putting the world at risk in that way.

But I was wrong about that scene.

[The_Damned]

i really didn’t see it as being filler unless kid buu causing trouble in heaven was filler. and just because krillin died he isnt strong? i think this is the same thinking that prevents people from believing goku can teleport with superman away from our sun and then crush his head with one hand

You’re intentionally missing the point: Destructo Disk working on Buu doesn’t prove shit with regards to Krillin’s strength because Buu is extremely shapable.

Unlike Cell or Freeza, I can’t remember him taking a hit and not being scratched since he would bounce back, literally, from whatever the fuck it was that hit him.

Basically, Kid Buu is softer than the other two. On top of that, we already said countless times that techniques can be (much) stronger than the fighter himself.

i just wanna say tht Tien (fuck any of the earthlings) became stronger than frieza…

Tien’s from Earth. Unless you meant to say Tien “didn’t” become stronger than Freeza.

Lol im postive that android 19 (the fat one…is that 19 or 20?) could of taken out everyone besides goku, vegeta and maaaybe piccolo.

You’re right, 19 is the fat one; 20 was Dr. Gero himself.

Anyway, this brings up another point: Yamcha got fucking beasted when they show up. Didn’t he straight out die? Since the other Z-fighters aren’t much tougher than him and both of them were WAY weaker than Freeza, especially since neither of them knew what went down in space (unless that mistranslated), yeah…

No Z-fighter is Freeza-level.

both

You’re apparently being retarded–not that I’m surprised–also since you can’t be both of those things at the same time.

There’s a difference between playing Devil’s advocate and straight up trolling and you’re doing the latter by admission.

[Ki_Shima]

You’re apparently being retarded–not that I’m surprised–also since you can’t be both of those things at the same time.

There’s a difference between playing Devil’s advocate and straight up trolling and you’re doing the latter by admission.

oh so im being retarded?

I found the Japanese version of that scene, and let me admit that I was wrong. Trunks says “Take this when you start showing symptoms”, so Goku wasn’t particularly being irresponsible by not taking it.

But I was wrong about that scene.

THE DAMNED: so being retarded i was right somehow?

all you’ve said is im retarded because i pointed out krillin cut buu in half, sounds like you have something against me

LOGIC guides me through debating, im taking everything into account and a lot of you are missing things

I’ve been on these forums for a few years now, and i havent out right insulted people here even if i hit a rough patch in my life, and you come and reply to me claiming it’s no surprise im acting retarded? cock sucker