Movies don’t count for anything, at least with regards to this.
Oh, uh, sorry. It’s hard to focus between this thread and several others, TV, my laptop and being sick still.
I meant the King Kai thing was filler, wasn’t it? I remember being told that a while ago, but I haven’t read most of the manga, so…
Guillible…
He’s human, he just looks weird. On that note, Chaotzu’s human as well–yeah, I know; not that it matters, the weakling.
yeah it might be, but theres plenty of other evidence that shows difference in power and how moves are near enough nullified. i still stand by my theory that krillin buu saga > frieza
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Yes, linking to a video where Krillin cuts someone in half who is extremely malleable proves that Krillin is stronger than Freezer, especially after Krillin gets murdered (again lol) and then Yamcha says what’s doubtless his filler line (which is probably a lie too since characters, you know, can do that).
Such excellent proof you have.
You have to keep in mind, that an attack could simply be powerful enough in and of itself to keep a more powerful being at bay. Perfect example would be Goku during the battle with Raditz. Goku’s Kamehameha raising his fighting strength from 416 to 924 in that instant, but Goku in and of himself still read at 416 after the attack was over, as that boost in power was temporary, and not his base strength.
No doubt. Cell form 2 shits on Freeza’s final form.
No way. By saying that, you’re saying he’s stronger than a Super Saiyan. And we know that’s not the case. Otherwise, the Z-Senshi would have depended on his presence alot more.
No doubt. Once he fused with Kame, he was the strongest Hero at that point. But I wasn’t arguing that. It was said he was Super Saiyan strong during the Freeza arc, and that’s just rubbish.
Don’t know about the end, but if you mean during the actual fighting with Buu, then yea. Gohan post Old Kai power up was God Tier. Buu couldn’t touch him, and neither could anyone else.
Yea. There’s just no way all the humans, who by the Freeza arc, couldn’t keep up do to their various limitations, were all surpassed the level of a Super Saiyan. It just didn’t happen.
You have to keep in mind, that really, no one was even close to Freeza in the whole damn Galaxy. He was King Shit. All the villains post Freeza were created by artificial means. So when the Super Saiyan came along, he was Beef Surpreme. If a human could just train for 30, 40 years, and surpass Super Saiyan power, then Master Roshi would have done it, and others. of course, conditions changed, and way more powerful warriors started surfacing (Yamcha, Krillin, and Tien the most stand out), but they are still humans, and they have limits.
Gotenks’ SSJ3 was stronger than Goku’s, IIRC. Gohan post Old Kai power up was more powerful than SSJ3 Gotenks.
Agreed. Uub was strong, but he would have got handled if Goku put the juice on. Uub has the potential to be stronger, but he wasn’t there yet, at all.
Ding Dong.
See above.
Naw. There’s just no way.
Filler.
For** Saiyans**. That doesn’t apply to humans, like Krillin. You know this, right?
As with any character in Dragon Ball, Tenshinhan is human unless explicitly stated otherwise. In early Dragon Ball, Toriyama gave many of his apparently human characters various non-human features, some of which were drawn from folklore and mythology and some of which just looked cool to him. Some of them were explained later in the series (like Goku’s tail) and some were not (like Bulma’s hair or Kuririn’s lack of a nose). Tenshinhan’s eye has never been explained, at least not in the “canon” storyline and oh my sweet bloody Jesus, why am I participating in this discussion?
Because you like Dragon Ball, and you want to discuss it? Just a guess.
Is cockiness a saiyan trait or sumtin just for gohan and vegeta…i swear the world would be alot safer if it wasn’t for them.
I kind of get what you are saying, but I didn’t really think about it from that much of a technical point of view, to viewing Ki blasts(Sans the Spirit Bomb) as seperate entity’s from the fighters.
Going by that way of thinking, I would rephrase it to “I believe Tien has the strength to beat Frieza, but Tien himself isn’t as strong as Final Frieza.”
Which comes off as kind of weird, because it’s very easy to confuse the two in a debate like this.
When we talk about it from that kind of perspective, I’m looking for the Final Result, not inbetween stuff like what happens depending on what kind of power boost he gets for firing off ki blasts. I believe that if they were to fight Tien by the end definitely has the power to kill Frieza.
I love Dragonball Z.
Next post please.
And that’s the thing. Let’s just say Tien, could fend off Freeza for a minute. Pop a few high powered rushes, a few powerful Tri Beam attacks, but then what? He’d only harm Freeza, since Freeza can with stand, and dodge Super Saiyan Kamehameha’s, and withstand the impact of a huge Spirit Bomb, and Tien would be hella worn out, and just wouldn’t have the power to withstand the oncoming flurry of attacks Freeza wouuld unleash him.
Hell, could Tien even HIT Freeza in a straight up battle? Maybe, but Tien did get the jump on Cell. Had he been aware, maybe he wouldn’t have got caught up in the Tri Bem shenanigans to begin with.
How exactly would you rate Powerful Ki Blasts then in terms of the power boost they give to fighters?
There is nothing abnormal about Tien at all relative, to some of the beings in DBZ.
If it was outright beneath Super Cell in terms of power, he would have gotten out of it, a lot sooner. The first surprise blast, we’ll give it to Tien, but not really after that.
That would mean Tien jumped millions of levels upwards in terms of power level, and that’s kind of far-fetched.
…Gohan isn’t cocky. He’s…awkward. The only time I remember being anywhere near cocky was against Super Buu, which he had in the bag until he got blindsided. The cockiness was warranted…unlike with Vegeta.
With him, cockiness is a trait of being a jobber.
He was cocky as shit IMO, when he went SSJ 2 for the first time against Perfect Cell.
Goku:
“GOHAN WE KNOW YOU HAVE THE POWER!!! JUST HURRY UP AND KILL CELL!!!”
Gohan shoots Goku a very nasty look
Gohan:
“** NO, I HAVE TO MAKE HIM SUFFER AS MUCH AS HE HAD MADE EVERYONE ELSE SUFFER!!!**”
(Just paraphrasing a little bit)
Which eventually lead to Goku coming in the fight, getting killed, and then the entire debacle with Cell instant transportating himself back to Earth and even stronger than he was before.
I don’t count that as cockiness. Just being naive like his father for just reasons. It’s along the lines of “Pathos on Freiza” except that Gohan wanted Cell to suffer justly for all the people he absorbed and killed.
Unlike Vegeta, I don’t doubt that if Gohan knew about that, he would have killed Cell sooner/instantly.
gohan knew how strong he was…even his father was like hurry up u dumbass. i feel naive and cockiness are on a fine fucking line and gohan crossed it into cockiness. unlike goku who thought he could give frieza another shit. nigga gave him like 5-10 second chances in that battle. Thats fucking being naive.
It’s not necessarily brash “HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ** I AM THE PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS, KISS MY ASS**” Vegeta arrogance, but you are right in that it’s moreso among the lines of that dumb Goku naivety that gives the bad guy a 2nd chance(And by that, I mean obvious plot points to give the bad guy a reason to get some power up and come back stronger.)
I guess that’s more subjective, but this was the 1st time I ever saw Gohan behave in that kind of manner, where he just outright withholds destroying the bad guy because of his physical dominance over him.
At least with Goku it’s kind of expected since he’s dumb and incredibly naive, but I never expected that out of Gohan.
That to me at least was arrogance on his part.
After years of playing 2nd fiddle, he becomes the strongest, and then can’t even finish the job outright.
fuck u for making laugh out loud at 1:30 in the morning.
It’s still 12:30 AM here, no problem.
But yeah.
Dragonball Z is the shit.
SSJ3 Goku slightly > Fat Buu
Mystic Gohan extremely > Super Buu
I think Mystic Gohan is the strongest none fused character entity by the end of Z
uub aint kid buu
gohan raped super evil buu for free, way worse than ssj3 gotenks.
when goku was ssj3 he was not able to beat kid buu, who imo is weaker than super evil buu