chi chi is completely illogical
she wanted gohan to focus on studying
with his fighting skills he could have been a billionaire
who gives a shit about studying
it wasnt for money reasonsâŚshe claims it isâŚbut shes shown over the years its because she hates gohan for being a freak. she has always tried to get goku to be more human and tries with gohanâŚgotenks seems to be the closest one to achieving what she wantedâŚya i know ironic. But she hated on gohan hard as a kid.
Whatâs everyoneâs favourite DB (not DBZ) saga?
Watching DBZ itâs really just one âIâm hyped nowâ moment after another.
Kaioken x 4? Hype.
SSJ Goku? Mad Hype.
SSJ2 Gohan ocving the Cell Jrs? oshit thatâs hype.
SSJ3 Goku? wtf he ainât got eyebrows, hype.
but dbz always seemed to lack the charm and fun the db sagas had.
My fave? Have to give it to the Red Ribbon Army saga. Everything from Goku running muscle tower, fighting the arnold 'bot, the ninja (recipient of the original thousand years of pain), the Dr. Slump cameos and finally taking on the whole army himself. The entire saga was fun to read.
I especially liked the part by the end where Bulma, Yamcha, Roshi, etc are all like âWe have to help Goku fight the army!â then Goku shows up and heâs all âo hai guys, i already beat them lol.â
Another thing I enjoyed about that saga was when Goku travels to the pirate cave with Bulma and Krillin, it felt like they were on an adventure. Toriyama tried to duplicate it again with Bulma, Gohan and Krillin travelling to Namek but it just ended up them trying to survive the trip with Bulma getting left behind and Gohan/Krillin being overmatched by stronger enemies.
Honorable mention to the Baba tournament saga. I thought the part where Goku meets his Grandfather again was pretty touching, and allowed him to make up and move on after accidentally killing Grandpa Gohan as a kid. Also the saga where you get to see Bulmaâs tits haha.
Bulma toned down over the years reserving her rage for semi-appropriate outbursts, but chi chi has NEVER stopped being a complete bitch on the slightest whim.
Loved that scene where fat buu turned her into a cookie and ate her bitch ass; shouldâve crapped her out right there too.
It seems like Krillin is the lucky one with Android 18. We donât see her do too much bitching. Probably because sheâd just kill you first. 
Anyway, I agree that DB is somewhat better than DBZ. The fights were more about actually being better than your opponent, rather than who had the better power levels. I liked the first Budokai with Goku vs Tenshinhan. That was an epic fight.
I think that was the second (Kamesenin/Jackie Chun won the first one).
Yamcha vs. Tenshinhan was also pretty tight, probably the best fight Yamcha had in likeâŚforever.
DB also had the gracious Bulma boob shots, no wonder I miss them in DBZ. :sad:
Emmy Rossum is a hottie.
white women= black menâs kryptonite
i used to have one of the DBZ Daizenshu books but I donât know what happened to it
btw⌠i didnât know they released GT Remastered⌠i saw season 1 at best buy and picked it up. It didnât get the wide screen treatment and also, the opening credits, ending credits, and episode title screens are in english BUT at least that horrid rapping song is gone and replaced with the good songs.
Over all itâs an OK set and there should only be two collections since GT is only 60 something episodes.
I also picked up season one of DBZ, I had season 2-5 so I gotta get 6 and 7 as well.
Sorry to bring a thought here into DBZâŚhowever I need to get it off my chest (Yes, Iâm really into breaking down DBZ characterâs real strength, since well, itâs hard to truly gauge their power and speed and what not, however Akira has left us with some clues in the manga/anime).
Anyhow, I was talking to this other head about DBZ, and he brought up a pretty nice notion on the speed of how fast DBZ characters move at. Now we all know that DBZ characters can move so fast that regular human eyes, and even cameraâs cannot see them, Goku at one point was moving so fast that even DBZ powerhouses couldnât see him, but yeah, lets move on.
He mentioned the part of when Goku was traveling to Namek, and it taking it 6 days from Earth. Since Akira said that DBZâs universe (meaning the planetary and stars) would be a parallel to our own, it would be safe to assume that we can do exact estimates for it as well. Now, if we just consider that the planet Namek was near the closest star to Earth, that would be about 5 light years (correct me if Iâm wrong here). So that would mean that Gokuâs space ship would have needed to travel at least 304 FTL to reach it within 6 days.
The key thing here is that King Kai was able to detect Gokuâs space ship during itâs travel to planet Namek. Yet another time, King Kai is again able to detect Freiza traveling forth and back, however during the time in which Goku becomes SSJ1 and Freiza is I believe going 100%, they are fly straight off and after that are fighting so fast that King Kai can no longer detect.
I remember in the japanese version, King Kai is saying that heâs never witnessed this kind of speed before during the Goku and Frieza fight. So this is where all of my talking goes together, because if King Kai could detect Gokuâs space ship traveling at over 300 FTL, which btw, it would have been much faster then that, since Goku passed a star before reaching Namek itself, and he was able to detect Freizaâs speed.
However, when both of them where going basically full blown, flying and fighting. King Kai could no longer detect their speed, and not only that, but he had never ever seen such speed before. YesâŚIâm hoping that Iâm making some sense here, because again, this really sounded interesting and if you actually look it up and do the math, then it starts to look really plausible.
If what Iâm gathering is correct and plausible then that would make the DBZ characterâs speed in flight and fighting (throwin out fist, kicks, and what not) completely off the charts, and far more ridiculous then any of us had ever really imagined, yet this is only SSJ1 Goku during the Freiza saga, so if what I say is true, I could only imagine the present day DBZ Goku, lmao.
However, please read and reply, lol, yes, please donât bring the hate if I âaddedâ wrong or what not, however itâs just something to bring to the table, because yes, I love DBZ and itâs fun to tinker at how much potential or what they really did within the DB/Z world.
Ps: Chi Chi >>>> Bulma imo for the Chi Chi vs Bulma argument, lmao.
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However Kaioâs tracking ability works, I imagine itâs a lot easier to pay attention to a single spaceship traveling on a fixed course at a constant speed than two amazingly powerful superbeings who bounce around in the sky like billiard balls.
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I donât have the manga or the DVDs in front of me to tell for sure, but this might simply be yet another case of FUNimationâs arbitrary mistranslations messing things up.
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Youâve thought way too much about this.
I was thinking the same thing about your no. 1.
this reminds me I was thinking about the unwritten rules of dbz and I remembered another oneâŚ
5 minute charge up time is usually > stronger opponent. If said opponents attack takes 5 minutes or more to charge upâŚDONâT STAND IN FRONT OF IT OR IGNORE IT. Regardless of power differences that 5 minute charged up attack WILL fuck you up. Spirit bomb always usually comes into effect with this rule but the perfect example is Perfect Cell vs Final Flash. Vegeta couldnât do shitâŚso he charges up for a good 5 minutes and royally scrambles Cellâs eggs. Of course you have to first either catch the person off guard (Tien had to have been charging and gathering energy for that attack for a good 5 minutes before he threw it at NappaâŚNappa didnât get hit but it looked like it would have messed him up good) or fool an idiot into challenging the attack. First time Special beam cannon definitely also falls under this rule.
This.
And it was actually Super Buu who offed her, with one of the best scenes ever:
Chichi bitching while Buu waits for Gotenks to come
Buu: ââŚDo you like eggs?â
*
zaps Chichi into an egg, steps on said egg, then goes back to exact same waiting position *
Iâd also like to add the filler scene when Gohan is training in the spirit and time room and he has a dream where Chi-Chi walks in and confronts Cell but she gets bitchslapped away. Which is odd because Gohan hadnât seen what Perfect Cell looked like at that point.
Wasnât there another filler scene when Goku was sick and dreamt the Androids showed up to his house and killed Chi-Chi? Fillers are awesome.
About the Goku/Freeza fight, itâs just another example of them trying to create hype in dbz. That and what goodmorning said in point #1.
Lately iâve been finally watching the Buu saga for the second time. I started right at the end of the cell saga #180, and just finished the Goku SSJ3 episode #230.
Great stuff!!! Good to workout to as well.
As awesome as DBZ is though, itâll always be 2nd best next to Hokuto No Ken/Fist of the North Star.
It was the Cell saga for me! For a while i just thought the show was silly and never took the time to watch it, damn i had no idea what i was missing.
It was not till waiting one day to watch an episode of Gundam Wing that i decided to sit through an episode or two, and i was hooked after.
Edit: Wow Gundam WingâŚits been a hell of a long time since those days on cartoon network.
Note that King Kai was also having trouble tracking Gokuâs ship, even though it was at a set course, the reason was due to because of the ships sheer speed (300+ FTL is ridiculously fast).
Also, remember that I stated that he was also able to track Friezaâs speed movements previous to the SSJ1 Goku and Freiza fight. However, he could not do so when the two went full force, so how could you do so previous and then not be able to afterward. The most likely case is that they where moving much faster then before.
In the japanese version King Kai says this " Impossible! That I should lose sight of them- what speed! " This occurs right after Goku and Frieza fly straight across (If what you say above is true about the spaceship then why couldnât King Kai detect Goku and Frieza flying at a straight course), so itâs not a mistranslation. Itâs a clear indication that King Kai has never ever witnessed speed of that magnitude.
Your probably right, but it doesnât hurt to find out the truth. :wgrin:
itâs funny how people try to hold back the power of the DBZ characters but akira toriyama wrote it, this what you said is what he meant, that is how powerful and fast the characters really are
remember when burter first showed his speed, he moves faster than any of those super fast and super strong fighters could turn their head, THEN goku turns up and moves faster than burter could blink
I think everyone else who disagrees with this basic truth⌠(which is being shown infront of our eyes) is thinking too much about it.
no hard feelings from the DBZ isnât as random as first thought camp
If there is one complaint i have about the series, its that its hard to really imagine/gauge how strong a character is.
You had SSJ1 which was essentially Godlike.
Then SSJ2, which made 1 look like childâs play(WTF?)
Then SSJ3 and so on.
Its like, how much better than GODLIKE, can a character really be?!
Hell, they made them so powerful that if you were to toss ANY characters from other fictional realityâs in the mix, with all their stuff intact and have them go at the DBZ guys. None of them, regardless of how powerful we thought, would stand a chance in hell.
Thats why i always laugh when some try stuff like Superman Vs Goku. At Best, superman has namek-saga, piccalow-level power/speed. Which of course is like an infant trying to beat a grown-up when faced with SSJ1.
However, you really canât blame such fans for not being able to grasp and wrap their mind around just how strong the DBZ characters are. None of us can really comprehend it.
Except that, unlike the other 2 forms, SSJ3 didnât actually do much in terms of storyline importance:
- SSJ1: Goku curb stomps Friezaâs ass.
- SSJ2: Gohan makes Cell his personal bitch.
- SSJ3: UhhhhhâŚGoku/Gotenks holds Buu off for a while?
Actually no, Goku said he could have beaten fat buu at SSJ3, but he said he wanted someone else to step up for once and save the day or something, since he was not going to be around forever. So he held back.
Otherwise it could have very well ended with SSJ3 Goku roasting fat buuâs ass with a energy blast large enough to completely destroy every molecule of him, beyond healing(such as with the spiritbomb on kid buu).
Edit: Keep in mind iâm going by the dub, so maybe iâm wrong about Goku holding back on beating Buu. I LOVE the dub but its obviously inaccurate to original dialog.
Thatâs one of the reasons that I think Akira phazed out scouters and âpower levelsâ cause he was writing himself into a corner.
Saiyan saga vegeta was whatâŚaround 24000 right? His power alone was affecting the atmosphere and fuckin up electrical appliances around the planet. They were probably nowhere near Roshiâs house during that fight. And letâs assume that if Vegeta wasnât bluffing and was actually capable of blowing up the earth at that point in the storyâŚwhere does that put SSJ Goku and others at this point? In comparison to the effects that vegeta was exerting to the planet at that level Goku and Freezaâs power probably should have evaporated Namek and any nearby planets that just happened to be in the area. At this level I should be expecting even a small ki blast from these guys to level anything within a 20 mile radius.
Then again I had always wondered about the concept of âconcentratedâ blasts in dbz even though it was never really hinted at. Like how the Spirit bomb on namek didnât just completely wipe out the entire planet and instead only affected that one particular spot.