Ok…looks at emblemlord…you’ll get a kick outta this. I got beat by ken ( onoe of my friends* by wario…on his first try while i was using the hedgehog. lol He wouldn’t play wario again though :(. So yeah I found it a bit annoying that wario was just biting me out of stuff so I gotta get more experience fighting his weird ass. Also he used ice climbers on me once as well and even though he barely beat me I could tell that it was a bad match up for him…especially because he can’t do any throw mix up on them until he can get them separated which I feel takes a big chunk out of what he could use against them. lol He was just spamming forward tilt anytime sonic tried to move forward and it beat out anything coming in horizontally and Sonic can’t spin through the ice even if he waits till the last second to make it as highest priority as possible. They just completely shut down my ground game and you can’t really attack them from the air cause of hammers…It was ALMOST like trying to attack metaknight…but I can’t tell if it was worse or not because of the ice cubes. I want to get more experience fighting these too to find what I can and cannot do but I’ve only fought each one once…Anyone got any pointers?
From what I can tell from my point of view from playing sonic so much…You can try to play sonic defensively but I feel it’s a bit hard to do so. Take note I didn’t say it was impossible though. I’m curious to see your version of him Shadow before I say anything else on it…
Something else that I’ve noticed during the course of playing this game in general and listening to most people say that this game is mostly about defense and what not…Is it me or does the shield…not last as long as it used too? In melee, I thought it was reeeally rare to see anyone get their shield broken in a match unless they were fighting marth but often times in this game I’d block maybe 2 things consecutively and my shield would be about done.
Could just be me but I wanted to throw that out there to see if anyone else felt the same way.
So it’s not just me then? …so the game is sort of like a reverse guilty gear in that it rewards you for playing defensively but at the same time they don’t want you turtling all day.
I’ve kinda faced the fact that Sonic probably isn’t that good of a character… aggressively. It’s not a good example, but playing against a lvl 9 cpu (they’re beastly btw), a hit and run Sonic works very well. I haven’t had much time to use him lately though. I got a half full Friend list and yet nobody is ever online. I guess I have too much free time.
you need to go to the brawl srk irc chat…that way you can tell who wants to game or not…i haven’t been on much cause my connection in this room is sorta laggy and I’ve been getting rushed down by life.
I’ve realized that you don’t mash on sonic’s homing attack to make it come out faster…you only need to press the special button once after a certain time to make it come out before it makes you do it…it’s like close to a second after he starts rising. Nothing special in particular but eh.
Something else i’ve realized is that sonic’s neutral air can be your best friend if you time it correctly. I’ve fought my friend’s olimar a lot and if you wait till the last second before you attack with it then it can eat right through olimar’s up smash…I started short hopping it and making it so that I land right behind the person as i’m coming down and so far it seems to be a pretty good tactic for the most part. I don’t know what else it can eat through but as of right now it’s probably sonic’s most reliable spin if your timing is good. I’ve also seen it eat through the first swipe of metaknight’s up smash…but as I stated earlier Sonic’s priority diminishes the longer he spins…so by the time the second hit comes out it’s lowered enough that metaknight beats it out. If there’s been any other instance of it beating out something else that I don’t know about that you’ve seen it do let me know.
I just bought this game 4 days ago and I already know Sonic is utter trash by himself. He is however the ULTIMATE item hog if you play with items on due to his speed. If I’m playing Sonic, no one else is getting a pokeball or assist or food item. Sonic with chili power is actually fun to play with…
Thing with Sonic is, he’s fast, but incredibly predictable. You can see him charging all of his damage attacks from a mile away. His up smash is pretty weak and has little to no priority, his down kick leaves him vulnerable when he lands for way too long, and his forward smash takes forever to actually land.
Sonic is definately bottom tier in this game imo if the items are off. With them on, depending on the items, he can be mid to high tier.
Lucas and Falco are the chars I get the most kills with atm. Link used to be my best in SSM but he got nerfed. Jugglypuff was my second best in SSM but I haven’t unlocked her yet so I can’t tell if she got nerfed or not. I’ll play your Sonic vs My Lucas any time 1 v 1 with no items if you want to prove Sonic isn’t low tier. Lucas’ Up smash has priority over just about every single move Sonic has.
EDIT: Actually, I haven’t played online as of yet. How bad are the lag issues?
wow…you’re planning on hitting me with Lucas’ up smash? O.o…oh dear…lol. Lag isn’t bad if you have a reeeeally good connection and it’s even less depending upon the distance…where are you at?
ROFL, mind telling me what you THINK you’ll be able to do with Sonic? :rolleyes:
I’m in NYC, just upgraded to Verizon Fios but I’m havin issues with the shitty Router Verizon supplied me with. Even with a shitty connection a decent Falco will own any Sonic 1v1 no items.
oh i know falco gives sonic problems…but you were talking about hitting me with Lucas’ up smash lol. And I don’t think I’ll be able to do anything…we’ll see how it goes…no?
Lucas’ up smash has priority over just about anything, period.
Sonic seems to have a lot of trouble against the small characters since his hitboxes are so small. It cripples his juggle game a lot, which is pretty decent against big targets (Uair, double jump Uair, spring jump Uair for the KO). Sonic would be a lot better IMO with a decent grab, since he is so fast that dashing shield grabs would rape, but alas his grab range is pretty ghey.
To win with sonic you have to be totally unpredictable, switching up your approach constantly and using your speed to confuse. KO off the side with Fsmash and Bair, and at high percentages spring jump to Uair is fast and can catch people off guard.
A spammable tactic is the dash attack to Fsmash. If timed right, the dash attack will pop them up so they land just in range for the Fsmash. Make sure you double stutter step all your Fsmashes for the range sonic desperately needs (back + c-stick forward for a regular stutter, forward > back + c-stick forward for the double).
The falling spring from the spring jump can hit recovering opponents and works surprisingly well for KO’s. If anyone can develop a solid strategy for getting them below the stage often, the spring jump would make sonic very annoying and dangerous!
I’ll stop there for now. There’s a few interesting things about his spin dashes, but I’ll save that for later.
BTW, the lag online is definately an issue, especially depending on what characters you play. It pretty much changes the game because certain tactics become unreliable while crap that normally wouldn’t work becomes abusable.
I would suggest trying to use the spring on pit when he tries to use his up b and go under the stage to the other side or just to come from underneath the stage in general since he can’t risk getting hit period while he’sdoing his up. If he’s saved his jumps then it’s still possible for him to come back. That’s what I WOULD like to say would work but I haven’t fought pit enough to test it out…and most of the time i’m too busy getting hit by and/or dodging arrows or trying to DI out of AIYAYAYAYA!!!
Sonic’s running shield grab is good though…O.o…I use it all the time especially since when you shield while he’s running it stops him so abruptly. When I was playing around with him in practice mode in slow mo. I noticed that he had to be fully in his run animation in order for the shield to come out…otherwise you’d end up getting a roll if you did it too fast…meaning you have to be at least at a certain distance because of sonic’s speed. Most of the time i’m not getting grabbed when i’m doing it and if the opponent attacks with something fast I’m usually already in their face with the shield up which causes me to get a perfect guard.
Something else I’ve been trying with sonic in order to do more damage is learning the timing of knee when he has you in a grab to apply the maximum amount of damage from his throw game. I went into slow mo practice and you don’t have to wait till sonic set’s his foot down before going for another one…it has to be just about when he sets the tip to the ground. At higher percentages I’ve able to get 5-6 knees off easily plus a grab even with the person mashing. Each knee does around 3%. I probably can’t demonstrate this at all on anyone i play online because of slight input lag but I’m going to attempt to anyway. We finally got a pretty good internet connection now…but it looks like during the day Nintendo’s wifi is all ‘…MY…SPOON IS TOOO BIGGG…crosses eyes retardedly’.
Edit: Oh and Metaphist I’d be interested to hear what you have to say about the dashes
I probably just suck at it. I do land it nicely to punish whiffs, but I also miss a lot when trying to surprise with it. I definitely need to work on that aspect of his game. Have you had any luck with the pivot grab? It looks good on paper cuz of sonic’s speed, but I haven’t tested it in a match.
About the dashes, well you probably already know this but you can cancel the down B by jumping straight up immediately after charging but before you even start to move. You can stop yourself from getting punished if you think they see it coming. I’m pretty sure it works for the forward B too.
When trying to recover with the forward B, if you’ve already used your second jump you’ll be totally stuck in the spinning animation, so only use it before the second jump.
I’ve also heard that the forward B has invincibility right at the start up (I’m assuming the little hop). I haven’t tested it, but peeps were saying that it goes right through a lot of moves if timed right. If it’s true you could probably use it to go right through edgeguards!
Sorry to be OT, but what other char’s do you like? Seems we both play Sonic and D3. My Wii isn’t with me atm, but I’ll look up my friend code and we can play online sometime eh?
Ye olde “buzzsaw cancel” eh? My above post offers a solution. It’s not ideal, since it puts you in the air which might limit your options, but it’s there nonetheless.
I suppose I wasn’t quite clear…I meant cancel on the ground…so that he could stay groundeded instead of having to cancel it with a jump. My apologies for being a bit vague.
Oh…and forward b doesn’t seem to have invincibility from my experience with him…but i stated this earlier that it seems most of his spin attacks have the highest priority when they’re first coming out and they slowly diminish as he spins.
mind testing that theory? In fact, I can stay Sonic the entire period
How about WE let YOU know?
I came here with the purpose of learning some neat stuff about Sonic but instead I see lots of things I already know (which is good, means people are actually learning this guy), Sonic bashers, and Sonic non-sense… people here have a lot to learn
edit: Sonichuman, I think you’re on the road to learning him. Minus the tilts and B-across, I used to play him just like that. I think you might find it better to refrain from using the B moves so much. Sonic loses a lot of speed if you use B moves
edit2: uhhh nevermind. I saw another vid of you combining the b moves… I guess you should keep playing your way, but yeah keep in mind that you WILL lose speed like that
Anyone can teach themselves, but the learning process speeds up if everyone pitches in. That’s why I’m even in this thread at all. that’s also why I encouraged Sonichuman to continue to play like he does instead of like me even though I don’t approve of it, because if it sucks then he’ll stop using it and move on to the shit that doesn’t suck.
I agree that lots of the stuff here is just flat out . I don’t care if you’re the best sonic in the universe; with the way you are you’ll lose your place soon enough. Keep holding in all that shit we’ll be using years, months, weeks, hell maybe even hours from now, gl with that
edit: WTF. apparently the huge post I planned to make detailing what I’ve learned about Sonic wasn’t made. I’ll do that later
. I don’t care if you’re the best sonic in the universe; with the way you are you’ll lose your place soon enough. Keep holding in all that shit we’ll be using years, months, weeks, hell maybe even hours from now, gl with that