Because its usually the people who go against something that actually have an opinion that they stand by and think is right imo.
/Mango
Why is this (i have a daughter)? Is it because they don’t understand? What if they’re using evidence consisting of parents as proof?
Do you go to doctors who only have what you have?
Though this question is not directed at me in particular ( though I do have kids) :
I have Eczema. I don’t feel like explaining it, but it has a huge impact on me physically and mentally ( loose analogy to the effects of spanking? )
I have had better support and results from a dermatologist with my condition as opposed to my previous dermotologists who had perfect skin.
Not sure how valid that is, but just putting it out there.
/Mango
I don’t exactly know why you are trying to twist my words, but I’ll respond.
Smoking cigarettes causes cancer. Stop trying to say otherwise.
I didn’t say much about aggression as a result of child abuse; it is a consequence, but decreased intellectual ability is also a consequence. To address the bolded part, could you design a study that would show this? No. You aren’t going to beat a kid once and observe.
Neurosceientists have a very good understanding of how the brain processes individual stressful situations, including the fear that is resultant from violence. Chronic beatings can be easily studied since if a parent does abuse their children, they are most likely going to continue the behavior. This leads to a warped way of thinking later in life for the children.
The centers in your brain which process aversive stimuli are directly modulated by your prefontal areas, which as you may know, are the sources of many of your beloved decision-making and cogitation skills. Beating a child theoretically tones this system down (decreases prefrontal modulation of fear centers). There are some animal models of this with footshock stimuli I believe, but I am not going through the trouble of looking this up while I’m at work.
Some quick links to show you what I’m talking about:
http://www.education.com/reference/article/effects-stress-violence-brain-development/
http://teacher.scholastic.com/professional/bruceperry/aggression_violence.htm
I apologize for some of the more in-depth details; I tried to leave them out. These articles can explain some of what I was saying.
Terrible fallacy.
Well, opinions mean nothing in the face of evidence.
A better proposal:
There is a subset of the union of the four groups–we’ll call this subset Z–that has attempted to avoid the use of anecdotal evidence and approach the subject from a more clinical perspective, maybe even looking up information from controlled, peer-reviewed studies, taking its own ego out of the matter.
Everybody outside of this subset can GTFO.
There is another subset–we’ll call this subset X–that seems to believe that being a parent automatically gives one much greater insight into the subject of corporal punishment, which defies both the obvious fact that there are shitloads of parents in the world who have clearly gained no useful knowledge from the experience, and the far more important fact that one piece of anecdotal evidence is just as shitty as the next, no matter where it comes from.
These people can really GTFO.
I see. I pretty much agree with you, i was being pedantic (on accident).
Does breathing in car exhaust cause lung cancer?
Possibly (i’m a bit ignorant on the subject). Since cars are so inefficient it definitely be plausible due to the pollutants they produce.
Well, I was raised without much physical contact, because scenarios like that did happen. They said “Don’t touch it, it’s hot.” They let me do it, and then I realized that I’m not supposed to touch the stove because getting burnt does in fact, really hurt. Sure, it hurt and could have been avoid, but I think my parent’s policies have made me a better man, because I realize why we have rules in place, and that the reason for them isn’t so we can be punished when broken, but so we are safe when we obey. A “listen or I’ll hit you” approach seems pretty backwards and makes it look like you are the aggressor and doesn’t necessarily make your rules any more correct. This is the same practice that totalitarian governments employ, it is an obey or be punished scenario, but there is no reasoning to why one should obey.
My Parents didn’t really want to help me out of trouble either, so I grew up knowing that in the real world people won’t always be there to bail me out, so I need to make the right decisions. I was taught logic and reason as opposed to conformity, and even though I may obey the law as everyone else may, I obey it for a reason other than fear of punishment. I hate to say it, as it sounds really stupid, but the smartest thing my parents had ever done was allow me to touch the stove after they told me not to. I learned why we have rules, instead of learning not to get caught when you break them, as can happen when you hit children.
Think about it, how many of you stole from the cookie jar as a kid? Be honest, you know you would have been punished if you did, whereas I just didn’t touch the jar when I wasn’t supposed to because if I asked about it, chances are I would get one anyway. I learned the importance of a healthy diet as well, and even though I have a taste for junk food, because it was more accessible to me, I’m better at resisting the urge to consume it in larger quantities. Same applies to food, If you don’t let your kid eat sugar, they’ll grow up and consume that much more out of choice because they can and you can’t stop them, if you let them have it and it’s a usual thing, they consume less of it. My diet certainly isn’t the best, but I get proper exercise and maintain a healthy weight because junk food was a part of my life and I realized that it is perfectly acceptable in moderate quantities.
If your method works for you, that’s fine with me, but I look at what happened with my life and I see a much different and potentially more effective approach.
Well, my son touched the stove and burned his fingers. I figured it like your parents, he learned his lesson he wont do it again. Well, a week later he did it again. hmhmhm One day, he may look back and think what jerk offs we were for letting him get burned. Or maybe he’ll think like you and thank us for the pain. Either way, getting burned was a lot worse than me spanking him.
So what you’re saying is you can inflict more pain than a burning stove? Hitting is not the solution in this case.
I didnt do anything but tend to his wound…
p.s. Im sure I could inflict a lot more pain than a burning stove. Thats not the point though…
I am actually purposefully presenting my ideas in a confrontational manner. My opinion on people being shitty parents for hitting their kids is mostly a tool for feedback; I would rather have parents use other methods of raising their children (and I feel strongly about it).
… but still don’t hit your children peoples.
I hit my children all the time. It makes me feel good…powerful. There is nothing like beating a helpless kid.
im sure thats what all these dopes see when someone says they spank their kids. hmhmhm
There are too many words on this page. I got lost.
My 6th layer of Yomi is telling me to learn from the experience of my friends and see how their parenting techniques have affected their children over the past decade rather than listen to how everyone thinks they’re the best parent.
With your bare hands? The tearing of the skin layers is the most painful thing one can experience (excluding child birth). Can you tare his skin with a single hit?
Who is claiming that they’re the best parent in this thread?
Well, seeing as Ive taken lessons from Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, The Rock, The Ultimate Warrior and Some Dude Named Ryan on the art of tearing skin with a single blow, I’ll have to say yes. Yes I could.
Vampire_Saviour - People that dont have kids?
p.s. All these people (woman) that say child birth is the worst pain are lame. Have these people ever had a limb torn off? Have they ever stuck their foot in boiling acid? Man, women give birth and post on facebook at the same time. It cant hurt that bad.
Holy shit i didn’t even realize the small text. I’m such a forum noob.
Edit: the powers of edit have been shown to me!
I already said in this thread that I just wanted to make a mess and have people QQ. I made the story up fyi.